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Re:Making a 'sandwich' out of magnets and topological insula... by Blueskytech on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @08:05PM (#31009689)
Bismuth is going to be the metal of the future, TSMC is also using it in their 1 nm process. As the uses for topological insulators make it to industry I think Bismuth is going to become a priority for companies to secure sourcing. China currently controls 75 percent of the supply.
Re:Making a 'sandwich' out of magnets and topological insula... by kurthr on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @04:54PM (#31008128)
Re:Making a 'sandwich' out of magnets and topological insula... by babyshake on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @04:27PM (#31007845)
It seems that magnets have some truly remarkable properties as applied within electric/energy applications. Do we have evidence that it is not possible to essentially bypass certain laws of thermodynamics in the presence of magnetic fields?
Re:Making a 'sandwich' out of magnets and topological insula... by pwr-electronics on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @04:55PM (#31008137)
Nothing breaks the laws of thermodynamics, ever.

I assume you're referring to how some popular science articles report things. That's just wordplay. Nothing is being bent, broken, or bypassed.

Usually it just means they did something an ordinary homogeneous material couldn't do, for example. Which is genuinely interesting, even if it's not actually breaking physics.

Re:Making a 'sandwich' out of magnets and topological insula... by marginalia_nu on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @05:10PM (#31008263)
With a generous interpretation, they can be said to break classical thermodynamics, since they quantum physics onto the table, most notably magnets can have negative temperature according to the statistical definition. Nothing that breaks physics at large, but would probably cause Ludwig Boltzmann a mild headache if he heard about it.

It's still not going to allow you to make perpetual motion machines, though.

Re:Making a 'sandwich' out of magnets and topological insula... by pwr-electronics on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @05:20PM (#31008363)
Why would you use a classical model to describe a quantum system? That's the kind of wordplay that those articles do, and almost identical to my example about materials. It's entertaining, but meaningless.
Re:Making a 'sandwich' out of magnets and topological insula... by marginalia_nu on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @05:24PM (#31008400)
Well in this case you absolutely can, the results just seem counter to our intuition about temperature. Negative temperature is a meaningful description of these types of systems.
Re:Making a 'sandwich' out of magnets and topological insula... by pwr-electronics on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @05:38PM (#31008529)
I'm trying to explain how articles often conflate "intuition" with "breaking physics", and you're making your argument by conflating them. We're having different conversations.
Re:Making a 'sandwich' out of magnets and topological insula... by marginalia_nu on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @06:10PM (#31008866)
Where have I said anything about any of this breaking physics, other than repeatedly clarifying that it doesn't...?
Re:Making a 'sandwich' out of magnets and topological insula... by pwr-electronics on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @06:20PM (#31008948)
> With a generous interpretation, they can be said to break classical thermodynamics

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31008263

Re:Making a 'sandwich' out of magnets and topological insula... by marginalia_nu on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @06:31PM (#31009031)
Operative word being classical. Quantum physics breaks classical physics. Stopped being controversial about a hundred years ago.

Thw very same comment specifically states that physics itself is not broken.

Re:Making a 'sandwich' out of magnets and topological insula... by pwr-electronics on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @06:50PM (#31009186)
Ok, so you're confirming that you're doing exactly what I said popular science articles often do.
Re:Making a 'sandwich' out of magnets and topological insula... by marginalia_nu on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @06:56PM (#31009224)
No I am not. Breaking classical physics is not breaking physics.
Re:Making a 'sandwich' out of magnets and topological insula... by pwr-electronics on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @07:38PM (#31009550)
I'm running out of ways to explain myself, so I'll just reword and summarize this thread from my perspective:

OC: Is it broken?

Me: No, they make generous interpretations to claim that it's broken.

You: With a generous interpretation, they can be said to break ...

Like I said, we're not having the same conversation.

Re:Making a 'sandwich' out of magnets and topological insula... by marginalia_nu on Wednesday April 13, 2022 @04:14AM (#31012278)
This is just sophistry. You're omitting the crucial context of what it is in these sentences, and it is only when this is done they appear contradictory.
Re:Making a 'sandwich' out of magnets and topological insula... by pwr-electronics on Wednesday April 13, 2022 @07:51AM (#31013562)
Of course there are contradictions. I'm talking about journalistic style in magazines. You're talking about something else.
Re:Making a 'sandwich' out of magnets and topological insula... by zasdffaa on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @05:49PM (#31008649)
> Do we have evidence that it is not possible to..

No, I don't think so, it's just that no-one's ever been able to construct a perpetual motion machine, so that inability is codified into a presumption that energy can't be created out of nothing (for example). That is an axiom AKA a law of thermodynamics.

I guess there's no possible proof of it but feel free to try making your own PMM - you'll make a fortune if you succeed!

Re:Making a 'sandwich' out of magnets and topological insula... by ncmncm on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @07:10PM (#31009324)
But you will find yourself wholly unable to patent it in the US, unless you manage to hornswoggle the examiner.
Re:Making a 'sandwich' out of magnets and topological insula... by drsnow on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @09:11PM (#31010121)
I find this hard to believe since if you really had a working one they'd surely amend their rules.
Re:Making a 'sandwich' out of magnets and topological insula... by kurthr on Tuesday April 12, 2022 @04:54PM (#31008121)
They're just creating bandgaps magnetically. I'm unsure exactly what the "breaking time reversability" refers to, but I don't think it looks like breaking any laws of thermo. Potentially, it could lead to superconductor-like effects near room temperature?