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Re:Elon has decided not to join our board by onion2k on Monday April 11, 2022 @01:40AM (#30985077)
Assuming Musk did take over Twitter, he wouldn't need to be much of a distraction. He could dictate a few rules (don't moderate Twitter, don't ban anyone, etc.) and then leave the company to function as it did before.

Not really. One of the hard things about changing the course of a company is that you actually need people to do the things you want them to do. That means actually being hands on and checking things are getting done. Otherwise people will nod and agree in meetings and then just carry on as they were before. This is especially hard if people are resistant to the changes you want to make.

Taking over and issuing commands doesn't work unless people have nowhere else to go. If Elon tried that at Twitter there would probably be an exodus of engineering and ops people.

Re:Elon has decided not to join our board by Vespasian on Monday April 11, 2022 @06:38AM (#30986888)
Then you need to deal with the outcome.

If Twitter started doing no (or very little) moderation it would suddenly be in conflict with many laws around the globe including the EU and the US.

That did fly a few years ago but I doubt it does today.

Other shareholders might not be to thrilled about them being banned

Re:Elon has decided not to join our board by smt88 on Monday April 11, 2022 @10:31AM (#30989276)
The US does not have laws requiring moderation except for illegal content (like child porn) and DMCA takedowns.

Most platforms fail miserably at removing the former and just automate the latter. Twitter could spend a small fraction of their current moderation budget and still be in compliance with US law.

Re:Elon has decided not to join our board by Vespasian on Monday April 11, 2022 @11:06AM (#30989820)
That's right, but other countries do and I've seen plenty of local companies spending advertising dollars on Twitter and targeting local users.

Of course Twitter is free to leave those markets at any time but I don't think other shareholders besides Musk would appreciate that.

Even in America, some brands were not that interested appearing next to fringe/extreme (though legal) content. And advertisers are the real customers of Twitter and all social media after all.

Re:Elon has decided not to join our board by antattack on Monday April 11, 2022 @08:54AM (#30988007)
If you read what Musk says now or years ago he actually is very much for moderation, but not censorship or banning people of the platform. In a way Musk is for something similar to HN point system.
Re:Elon has decided not to join our board by Vespasian on Monday April 11, 2022 @11:13AM (#30989933)
I get that, but the line between moderation and censorship is very culture and topic dependent.

That's obviously true for authoritarian countries like China but even in "the West" there are competing definitions of what constitutes free speech.

If you want to operate in those countries (at scale) you need to localize your moderation policies and therefore "take a stance". Cost of doing business globally.

Re:Elon has decided not to join our board by smt88 on Monday April 11, 2022 @12:18PM (#30990941)
HN is a bad analogy because it has a lot of invisible moderation tools used by the all-powerful moderators, including:

- banning

- shadow-banning

- deleting offensive messages

- detaching off-topic threads

The only difference with HN is that their rules are different. Everything else is very similar to Twitter.

Re:Elon has decided not to join our board by MrMan on Monday April 11, 2022 @05:14PM (#30995172)
Hn is like Gab though, the users feel aligned with the management ideologically so they don't mind being censored by them.
Re:Elon has decided not to join our board by smt88 on Monday April 11, 2022 @03:59AM (#30985899)
> One of the hard things about changing the course of a company is that you actually need people to do the things you want them to do.

Dorsey chose not to ban Trump, and then he did. That was a huge change for Twitter, and it didn't seem to rock the boat at the company at all.

Twitter also didn't ban politicians at all for a long time. That was another major policy change that Musk could simply revert back.

Re:Elon has decided not to join our board by onion2k on Monday April 11, 2022 @04:18AM (#30986024)
Dorsey chose not to ban Trump, and then he did. That was a huge change for Twitter, and it didn't seem to rock the boat at the company at all.

This is (probably) a good example of why it's hard. Dorsey understood that banning Trump would have been problematic, so he didn't. He, and probably others, worked to change the company internally to be somewhere where they could do that. Rather than do it and then deal with the fallout he worked to steer the company to be more open to being to be somewhere without Trump. Then he could ban Trump without the fallout.

That's how you change a company. Buying a big chunk of it and then issuing decrees about how it works now is much less likely to work. No doubt Elon understands that completely, and has no intention of doing it. He'll work to move Twitter in the direction he wants, maybe with the help of others, until he can then claim to have changed it overnight or something. He's not silly.

Re:Elon has decided not to join our board by root_axis on Monday April 11, 2022 @05:39AM (#30986518)
The company didn't really change at all, it's simply that Jan 6th made it easy to justify the ban.
Re:Elon has decided not to join our board by PixyMisa on Monday April 11, 2022 @02:46AM (#30985459)
Small loss.
Re:Elon has decided not to join our board by nebula8804 on Monday April 11, 2022 @03:27AM (#30985726)
Bigger than you think. Every right wing "free speech" platform has collapsed in flames partially because it seems like the majority of their people do not have the experience to build and run such a platform. I am reminded of the elementary mistakes made in the design of Parler.