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Re:Parking kills businesses, not bikes or buses by giantg2 on Saturday April 09, 2022 @04:27PM (#30971705)
"and their mind is wiped clean."

Or they realize that most public transit here is unreliable junk. It's almost never on time. This isn't a huge deal until you have to catch a connection/transfer and being late by 5 minutes mens you have to wait another 30-60 minutes for the next one. Or that they completely shut down after something like 1am. Oh, and I good luck to people not losing their job when the system goes on strike and you can get to work for a few days.

I would love to have great public transit. Much of these issues are policy or design issues. The policy issues need to be addressed. If only there was some accountability to the public...

Just for a fun story, my car broke down and I had to take public transit for a month. It was easier for me to walk 2 miles (no real sidewalk for most of it and busy roads) than to rely on the bus schedule. It took me 1.25 hours to get to work using two trains and a bus, when in the car it would take 20 minutes.

So as much as we want good public transit, we can't suddenly start using it if it doesn't exist. People have basically given up on it when schedules are a joke and the whole system can shut down for days or weeks.

Re:Parking kills businesses, not bikes or buses by Wowfunhappy on Saturday April 09, 2022 @04:31PM (#30971752)
It depends on the city, but in bigger cities it's frequently the traffic from cars that keeps busses from being on time.

Separately, there's a chicken-and-egg problem. In order to run busses every five minutes—which is what you really want—you need enough bus riders to fill all those vehicles.

Re:Parking kills businesses, not bikes or buses by NumberWangMan on Saturday April 09, 2022 @04:50PM (#30971918)
The easiest way to solve the problem, as I understand it, is to ignore the urge to cover the whole area in bus lines, because it's expensive and many of them won't have enough ridership to justify the cost. Instead, look where your density is highest, change zoning to let it get even higher, and build, like, 1 or 2 bus lines with very frequent service (less than about 12 minutes gap). That's the magic threshold where you don't need to look at a schedule -- if you miss one bus, a 10-12 minute wait won't make much difference. And that makes it an inflection point for ridership too -- you can get a lot more people with frequent service, meaning you get enough riders to make the whole thing worthwhile.

Best is if you can get a lane dedicated entirely to buses, and ticket cars that drive in it. You want buses to be a pleasant alternative to driving -- since you already have a walk at the beginning and end of your journey which takes time, it's nice if your bus can get priority over car traffic.

And from there, build up the areas with good bus service more and more, add more buses as needed due to population growth, lengthen lines, add new lines gradually as people see the success of the first ones. Incremental implementation is the trick.

Re:Parking kills businesses, not bikes or buses by johannes1234321 on Saturday April 09, 2022 @05:07PM (#30972066)
> Best is if you can get a lane dedicated entirely to buses, and ticket cars that drive in it.

Counterintuitively this even is useful for people who have to go by car. A bus has a lot higher density in people transported. By making it attractive for people to use the bus they don't take away space on the road, which can increase the flow of the remaining cars, even if road space is reduced.

Re:Parking kills businesses, not bikes or buses by giantg2 on Saturday April 09, 2022 @05:10PM (#30972093)
I really envision a hub/spoke wheel design. Run rail as the spokes. Once you get far enough out, the gap between the lines can be managed by a circular rail line and/or a couple bus lines. I guess I don't really like busses.
Re:Parking kills businesses, not bikes or buses by xigoi on Saturday April 09, 2022 @06:51PM (#30972923)
Buses are much easier to add in a city that's already built for cars. You just build some stations instead of having to dig up the whole road to add rails.
Re:Parking kills businesses, not bikes or buses by giantg2 on Saturday April 09, 2022 @07:46PM (#30973231)
That's only really useful if you also get rid of enough cars to make the busses effective and not stuck in traffic.
Re:Parking kills businesses, not bikes or buses by giantg2 on Saturday April 09, 2022 @04:41PM (#30971842)
True, but that's only busses. Rail lines were (are?) commonly 5-15 minutes off schedule depending on the time of day.

For people to use the system, they have to trust the system. Depending on the city, rail infrastructure can get you close enough to walk to many places. The stuff that crushes trust even then is the rail lines being off schedule and strikes. Safety can be a major concern too, like the woman who was raped on a SEPTA train recently (WTF). These should be simple asks. Maybe we just need to charge/tax more so they have more money (or maybe we need better people making the decisions with that money).

Re:Parking kills businesses, not bikes or buses by ericmay on Saturday April 09, 2022 @04:36PM (#30971800)
If only there was a solution to this problem. If only we could make the public transit go from “sucking” to “not sucking”. Guess we can’t. Throw in the towel. I’m buying a truck and America better damn we’ll go bomb someone to make sure gas is cheaper than milk.
Re:Parking kills businesses, not bikes or buses by giantg2 on Saturday April 09, 2022 @04:44PM (#30971870)
That's not a helpful comment, nor is that what I'm saying. People can continue to go to meetings and write their reps. But until the number of people doing that gets big enough, it's not going to change (ie a centralized system needs a significant number of supporters to overcome status quo).