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Re:MIT graduate students vote to unionize by lumost on Saturday April 09, 2022 @12:23PM (#30969390)
> biographies of groundbreaking researchers they all have one thing in common, they have dedicated virtually their entire time to work.

I'd argue that most ground breaking researchers had the benefit of researching their own ideas for prolonged periods. Putting in 40 hour a week on your own ideas for 10+ years is an awful lot of time. Many ground breaking researchers such as Feynman and Einstein had extended sabbaticals of one kind or another which lead to their best work.

It may be out of ignorance, but I'm not aware of any famous researcher who accredits their success to an 80 hour work week.

Re:MIT graduate students vote to unionize by DoughnutHole on Saturday April 09, 2022 @02:59PM (#30970918)
We're also in an era where groundbreaking research is seldom done by lone unicorn researchers expanding on a stroke of genius.

The Nobel Prizes are still awarded to individuals but often only because that's how Nobel decided the prize had to work over a century ago. Prizes are most of the time awarded to the heads of research groups who's discoveries are made of the backs of dozens of researchers and graduates often working 80 hour weeks, and in some cases hundreds or thousands of technicians.

The only prize that regularly meets the lone genius researcher trope is when the physics prize is awarded to a theorist (partially since it can't go to the hundreds of physicists responsible for verifying the theory).

Newton could see so far from standing on the shoulders of giants, the modern researcher can see so far from standing on the pyramid of overworked untenured researchers.

Re:MIT graduate students vote to unionize by lumost on Saturday April 09, 2022 @03:28PM (#30971194)
> Newton could see so far from standing on the shoulders of giants, the modern researcher can see so far from standing on the pyramid of overworked untenured researchers.

On the flip side, is this partially responsible for the declining productivity of science? We're effectively tying brilliant new talent to the whims of elders. ultimately as anyone who runs a large organization will tell you - you aren't going to get ground breaking work from a large org.

Do we need more diffuse science?

Re:MIT graduate students vote to unionize by DoughnutHole on Saturday April 09, 2022 @05:58PM (#30972510)
I don't really know if there's a way it could diffused - the reality on the ground is that cutting edge science requires cutting edge resources, and since advances are made on the margins major breakthroughs require knowledge across so many areas that one person can't possible be a specialist in everything involved. Both of those aspects mean most major research requires a significant concentration of resources to even be feasible.
Re:MIT graduate students vote to unionize by icelancer on Saturday April 09, 2022 @06:58PM (#30972964)
>> It may be out of ignorance, but I'm not aware of any famous researcher who accredits their success to an 80 hour work week.

One of the greatest mathematicians ever, Paul Erdős, absolutely did - to the point of using methamphetamines to work harder, longer, and sharper.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Erd%C5%91s

Greatness is rarely healthy.