Going to strongly push back on adoption being morally or ethically superior to having children the ole’ fashioned way because of climate change. I don’t see this as a productive train of thought and more likely solutions for climate change exist elsewhere.

It’s ok to have kids. Adopting kids is nice and that’s ok too.

> more likely solutions for climate change exist elsewhere.

Anybody who's having kids today sure better hope so.

It’s a very pessimistic worldview. While it’s true that they are great filter ahead of us I think climate change is not the biggest concern.

Look into Tony Seba to see how fast the transition to RE is happening.

We could also geoengineering the climate if it become a real problem.

> If that’s how a person without kids feels, isn’t having kids just creating another person who has to have kids to find meaning in their life (and on and on and on)?

OK, so the meaning of our lives is to perpetuate the species. Not too bad; if it's good enough for (the other) animals, why not for us too?

Ya want anything beyond that, it would logically have to be to make mankind of the future a better species than right now. Which of course you do by making your kids better persons than you are. So then you're back to them again.

> if it's good enough for (the other) animals, why not for us too?

My cat drinks from the toilet.

It's water. I drink water too. I didn't lick my kid clean when he was a baby either, but on the level of having him in the first place your cat and I -- and you -- have more in common than not.

Yeah except as people we have options for how to respond to our needs and instincts.

We can open a bottle of Evian instead of drinking from the toilet. We can cook an Impossible Burger instead of stalking, hunting, and devouring a cardinal in the front yard. We can run a bath instead of licking ourselves. We can realize having kids is a terrible choice given what we know about the world and choose to not have them.