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Re:At least 6,500 migrant worker deaths in Qatar since winni... by boeingUH60 on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @05:49AM (#30930242)
This number may mean nothing without context. At least 6,500 migrant workers have died, but how many exactly occurred due to the construction of new buildings for the World Cup?

The title of this post isn’t really honest. It says “at least 6,500 deaths constructing stadia for the World Cup” but the Guardian article is titled “6,500 migrant workers have died in Qatar since World Cup awarded”.

And yes, I’m aware of migrant abuse in Qatar and other relatively wealthy Middle Eastern countries…just want to set the facts straight

Re:At least 6,500 migrant worker deaths in Qatar since winni... by rand49an on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @05:54AM (#30930264)
In comparable projects, the London Olympics in 2012 had 0 construction deaths associated and in more recent years, even the highest recorded count was 74 in Sochi, Russia.
Re:At least 6,500 migrant worker deaths in Qatar since winni... by adwww on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @06:05AM (#30930316)
Even 74 in Sochi sounds mind blowing.

I can't imagine that many people dying on an engineering project anywhere else in Europe, unless perhaps there was a major incident like a tunnel collapse. But that would be headline news around the world.

Re:At least 6,500 migrant worker deaths in Qatar since winni... by orra on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @06:29AM (#30930463)
It was rightly newsworthy, and investigated, that one person died during the construction of the Queensferry Crossing.
Re:At least 6,500 migrant worker deaths in Qatar since winni... by Spare_account on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @06:02AM (#30930302)
You're perpetuating the mistake in the title.

As I understand the GP, the point is that during the construction of the any sporting facilities, some workers will have died but it won't have been directly related to the work they did.

In Qatar, that number is >6500. In the UK, we don't know the number.

Re:At least 6,500 migrant worker deaths in Qatar since winni... by rosndo on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @06:23AM (#30930416)
Yes we do.

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/weekly-all-cause-mo...

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26595089/

Same statistics are available in the UK, although immigrant-specific numbers aren’t updated on a weekly basis.

Re:At least 6,500 migrant worker deaths in Qatar since winni... by tluyben2 on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @06:02AM (#30930301)
Yeah, I was going to say; any construction deaths are frontpage news here. 6500 for a country the size of a shoe is insane, directly related to the the worldcup or not.
Re:At least 6,500 migrant worker deaths in Qatar since winni... by FDSGSG on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @06:09AM (#30930336)
These aren't construction deaths. This number includes all causes of death for all 2+ million immigrant workers in Qatar.
Re:At least 6,500 migrant worker deaths in Qatar since winni... by ejb999 on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @06:05AM (#30930317)
I agree - there is probably a story here, but the writer didn't do a very good job connecting the dots, correlation is not causation, lazy journalism at its worst.

How is this for a headline?

"5,333 US workers died in the 12 months following Qatar withdrawing from OPEC"

or

"5,333 US Workers died in the 12 months following Austria legalizing same sex marriage"

source: https://www.onthisday.com/events/date/2019/january https://www.osha.gov/data/commonstats

Re:At least 6,500 migrant worker deaths in Qatar since winni... by derriz on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @06:09AM (#30930341)
That's a fair call regarding the title I used. I didn't intend it to be misleading - I was being sloppy as I found the number absolutely shocking. Perhaps something like "At least 6,500 construction deaths in Qatar since winning the bid to host the World Cup" would be fairer.
Re:At least 6,500 migrant worker deaths in Qatar since winni... by FDSGSG on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @06:12AM (#30930354)
These are not construction deaths. The article does not claim that these were construction deaths. That's something you invented in your head.

This number represents all-cause mortality.

Re:At least 6,500 migrant worker deaths in Qatar since winni... by guillermin on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @06:08AM (#30930331)
I do believe that fact-checking and identifying clickbait is important, but in this case I think you are nitpicking with no cause and adding no substance to the discussion.

The article mentions a sum of 6,751 deaths not including several countries (Philippines and Kenya), so "at least 6,500" is correct. The article also says "While death records are not categorised by occupation or place of work, it is likely many workers who have died were employed on these World Cup infrastructure projects", so the "constructing stadia for the World Cup", although a bit loosely, is also true.

I don't get what you were trying to open our eyes to with your comment. Even if only 1,000 workers were confirmed to be deaths directly related to building stadia it is just as horrible and needs to be known.

Re:At least 6,500 migrant worker deaths in Qatar since winni... by ejb999 on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @07:29AM (#30930860)
"Even if only 1,000 workers were confirmed to be deaths"...

thats the problem, you are just guessing, yes 1000 deaths on a construction project would be an awful lot - but the article makes zero claims about how many people died from the heat, from heart diseases from covid or even from the covid vaccine, or from the actual project - which is the implied cause, without citing any data - just listing a high number of deaths that happened in a population of people, after some other event occurred, means less than nothing.

Thats not 'nitpicking', that pointing out glaring laziness on the part of the author to imply a cause and effect, and provide ZERO data to back it up.