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Re:Design of This Website (2021) by gouggoug on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @03:28AM (#30929412)
Although I’d agree with the fact that gwern does have a more going on, I definitely don’t think your site is any more minimalistic, I’d ever argue it is far far from it. My first reaction was « THAT’s minimalistic ?? »
Re:Design of This Website (2021) by lgvld on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @04:44AM (#30929866)
lol yes, the site is not at all (what one would call) minimalistic.
Re:Design of This Website (2021) by hypertele-Xii on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @04:09AM (#30929681)
Can you elaborate on what you find superfluous?
Re:Design of This Website (2021) by bradley_taunt on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @06:32AM (#30930481)
(Not OP) But I would point out the “fixed” elements used for the top and bottom bars eats away a large amount of real estate for users (I’m using an iPhone SE for reference)

Just my two cents.

Re:Design of This Website (2021) by hypertele-Xii on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @07:31AM (#30930872)
This is a completely valid issue and difficult to address. I've been testing on my phone, and my phone admittedly may have a screen larger than average. Some devices just aren't suitable for some types of content.
Re:Design of This Website (2021) by bradley_taunt on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @07:52AM (#30931015)
> Some devices just aren't suitable for some types of content

I think that’s rather dismissive when said content is simple text in the browser. Easy solution: don’t use fixed navigation - it is a very bad UX pattern for content/informational websites. That’s why scrolling exists. I assure you that users don’t require access to your menu 24/7 when reading through your website.

Re:Design of This Website (2021) by bradley_taunt on Thursday April 07, 2022 @10:07AM (#30944606)
Replying to my own comment for additional content:

I wrote about this "sticky" header problem back in 2019. Seems very relevant to this current discussion.

https://tdarb.org/blog/sticky-elements.html

Re:Design of This Website (2021) by hypertele-Xii on Thursday April 07, 2022 @03:28AM (#30941700)
> I think that’s rather dismissive when said content is simple text in the browser.

Content is not simple text in this case. My site is designed for visual arts and experimental literature, including poetry.

Re:Design of This Website (2021) by bradley_taunt on Thursday April 07, 2022 @05:02AM (#30942235)
My point is that if it is built out in HTML - it should work on any device that can render HTML.

Many other art-based, photography focused and creative writing projects work fine in my browser. You seem to just be avoiding the removal of bad UX patterns (fixed elements) for personal reasons - which is fine.

But you shouldn’t hint towards the fact that it’s “how things are” and they “can’t be fixed”. You’re hurting user experience for personal preference - not limitations.

Re:Design of This Website (2021) by arc-in-space on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @09:17AM (#30931611)
Difficult to address?! Just don't do it! Observe the website you are on right now: no fixed topbar. Perfect on any device.
Re:Design of This Website (2021) by hypertele-Xii on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @09:37AM (#30931798)
I wish HN had a fixed topbar so I wouldn't need to scroll to the top so often.
Re:Design of This Website (2021) by rossitter on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @10:01AM (#30932031)
Home button on a keyboard, tap the top of the screen on iOS, and I believe Android implements something similar.

I agree with the other commenter here. If a text-only article follows the tenets of some version of 'minimalist' design, I should be able to read it comfortably on my phone. Straight to reader mode for me.

I tried it on my desktop, where it was better. But I still wouldn't call it 'minimalist.' Again, it's just an article, but the background image draws my eyes away from the text. The top and sidebars do too, but to a lesser extent.

That's fine, but it's not minimalism. If I hear that an article on the web has been presented in a minimalist style I'm going to click on it assuming that once I start in on the article that's all I'm going to notice.

Re:Design of This Website (2021) by galaxyLogic on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @10:43AM (#30932532)
Home-button is a good trick to know about but I wish there was an easy way to jump between the top and the location I came from to get back. It seems back-button does not do that on my browser at least.

Since browser's don't do it there could be a side-ribbon that had a TOP-button and then a BACK-button. I think that would be useful on sites like HN.

Re:Design of This Website (2021) by bradley_taunt on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @09:46AM (#30931882)
FYI - if you're on iPhone, you can simply tap the time in the top bar to instantly scroll to the top of any website you're currently viewing.
Re:Design of This Website (2021) by icelancer on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @04:11AM (#30929698)
Colors. Lots of them.
Re:Design of This Website (2021) by hypertele-Xii on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @04:24AM (#30929764)
Black, white, magenta, and orange.

That's a lot to you? It's very few to me.

Re:Design of This Website (2021) by chanc3e on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @06:31AM (#30930472)
Yourself and Gwern both need to learn how typography works before you declare yourselves arbiters of digital design.

On the plus side, your site is friendly in reader view.

• Never justify text in digital • Never right align long form in digital • Both need to learn balance between type size and line height

Re:Design of This Website (2021) by creata on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @07:01AM (#30930679)
From the article, it looks like Gwern, at least, thought quite a lot about text justification --- see the "Abandoned" section --- so the "learn how typography works" comment seems a bit unfair.
Re:Design of This Website (2021) by chanc3e on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @08:52AM (#30931411)
Agreed. I should have said ‘understand’.

My point being that applying rules learnt from hundreds of years of literary culture and printing do not 1:1 translate into digital.

Justified copy is as much about saving paper as it is about any formality/legibility. It really has no place in long form digital space where space is infinite.

Type designers like consistent and even rhythm between the ink and page. Rivers of white and large gaps between words give the ick.

Re:Design of This Website (2021) by enriquto on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @05:17AM (#30930068)
you only need two colors: background and foreground
Re:Design of This Website (2021) by hypertele-Xii on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @07:38AM (#30930915)
That would be the absolute extreme of minimalism, yes. But it's a never-ending rabbit hole. I don't really need a website, either. So the absolute extreme minimalist website is one that doesn't exist.

To me, colors are important. I'm a visual artist. The minimal amount of colors to me is an additional two to your two. It's not arbitrary, I didn't just go crazy with colors, I settled on exactly four because I couldn't reduce it to three.

Re:Design of This Website (2021) by iamacyborg on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @08:00AM (#30931079)
> So the absolute extreme minimalist website is one that doesn't exist.

This is a fundamental misunderstanding of what minimalistic design means.

If you've identified that you need a website, minimalism would be paring that down to the core essentials and ensuring it has everything it needs, but nothing more, to suit its purpose.

Re:Design of This Website (2021) by hypertele-Xii on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @09:38AM (#30931809)
That's exactly what I've done.
Re:Design of This Website (2021) by carrolldunham on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @10:18AM (#30932203)
Why does it need a background image?
Re:Design of This Website (2021) by hypertele-Xii on Thursday April 07, 2022 @03:34AM (#30941729)
Because the artist requires it.

Websites exist to serve content. The author of this page demanded it have a background image.

Here's another page that doesn't:

https://hypertele.fi/b40bfc44ff8a22df

Re:Design of This Website (2021) by antiframe on Thursday April 07, 2022 @10:32PM (#30952715)
That subtle background gradient is lovely. I like how it adds a frame to the text without distracting from it. It evokes the right vibe, I think.

That's a design element that serves the functionality well and doesn't feel superfluous at all. But the image on the colophon page I'm less excited about. It gets in the way and feels unnecessary.