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Re:Ask HN: Beating depression with or without anti-depressants? by MisterMower on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @10:41PM (#30927893)
The past two years opened a ton of eyes regarding the fallibility of the medical community.

Turns out most doctors prescribe what is recommended by the professional organization they’re a member or the CDC.

I can’t count the number of times I’ve been at my daughter’s pediatrician’s office and the doctor either hands me a print out of the CDC website or actively googles something in front of me during a visit.

Sometimes I’ll ask her “what do you think about…” and she’ll parrot back “well the American Academy of Pediatrics recommends…”

And guess what? These clowns are fine with it. They jump through ridiculous hoops in school to get cushy high paying jobs, and their professional organizations work very hard to keep any competition out.

My brother just got prescribed anti-depressants this week. All the doctor did was give him the standard DSM “are you depressed” test. His score was barely on the depressed spectrum and so the doctor gave the standard dose. “See you a month from now, call me if you feel like killing yourself.”

No probing questions about why he might be depressed. No questions about past his past experiences with seasonal depression in Michigan where he lives. No other alternative remedies. Just a prescription, next patient please.

These doctors are just very highly credentialed monkies. They have vast knowledge of when to prescribe what and at the recommended dose. But ask them any kind of thought provoking question and inevitably you’ll get “the [trade organization I belong to] recommends…”

When my wife was in labor with my firstborn, the doctor and I were hanging out chatting. I asked him what the machine that printed out the intensity of her contractions was measuring. I kid you not: “well… it measures… it’s like how tight her uterus is… like, the intensity of her contractions.” No doc, what physical phenomenon is it measuring. It sits on her belly. What is it doing? Crickets. Guy couldn’t even tell me what the units were on the chart.

Try it sometime. Ask them a knowledge check question. Something simple, like “why do you administer this vaccine at four months old instead of, say, six months old?” or “what do these SSRIs do to my brain chemistry that helps manage my depression symptoms?” Watch them squirm.

Almost as interesting is the fact that none of them have ever admitted “you know, that’s a great question, I’m not sure, let me go research it and get back with you,” a completely valid answer. The hubris among these folks is something.

I’ll warn you though, if you try this you’re going to lose a lot respect for these medical “professionals”, I guarantee it.

Re:Ask HN: Beating depression with or without anti-depressants? by hsn915 on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @02:28AM (#30929050)
I used to think the software industry was broken because seeing from the inside it's obvious that the vast majority of programmers have no idea what they are doing.

Then as I looked at the rest of the world, it started to become clear to me that all industries are broken in the same way. Medicine is no exception.

> My brother just got prescribed anti-depressants this week. All the doctor did was give him the standard DSM “are you depressed” test. His score was barely on the depressed spectrum and so the doctor gave the standard dose. “See you a month from now, call me if you feel like killing yourself.”

> No probing questions about why he might be depressed. No questions about past his past experiences with seasonal depression in Michigan where he lives. No other alternative remedies. Just a prescription, next patient please.

That's really sickening.

Re:Ask HN: Beating depression with or without anti-depressants? by TameAntelope on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @02:01AM (#30928929)
The point is not that medical professionals have all the answers, the point is they have more answers than you do, and have better experience and resources available to them to seek answers they do not currently have.

Individual medical professionals making mistakes does not give you the excuse to ignore their vastly superior skills at handling medical situations.

If you don't like your doctor, find another one, do not attempt treatment on your own. If you do so, you are putting the people you love and care about in incredible danger, to the point where you may have your children taken away from you, and rightly so.

It is the height of stupidity to think you know better than the entire medical profession on any topic, no matter how much you've researched said topic.

Re:Ask HN: Beating depression with or without anti-depressants? by lostdog on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @05:11PM (#30937463)
In my family, both doctors and random googling have a similar batting average for certain conditions.

Some day you will have a challenging health condition and a mediocre doctor. When that happens, I hope you do not feel overly embarrassed by the comments you've made in this thread.

Re:Ask HN: Beating depression with or without anti-depressants? by tucaz on Friday April 08, 2022 @12:38AM (#30953373)
This is beautiful and very much on point.