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Re:One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine by yywwbbn on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @01:22PM (#30921908)
What would the alternative be if US banned all independent media sources (like Russia did)?
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Re:One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine by startoffs on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @04:44PM (#30924766)
US has done it's fair share of banning . Trump even tried to ban TikTok.
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Re:One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine by kasey_junk on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @05:49PM (#30925488)
What media sources has the US banned?

Trump tried and failed to ban TikTok is exactly the difference being discussed.

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Re:One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine by d0mine on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @01:52PM (#30922406)
unrelated: could you name one just one US media source that you consider to be independent (with an anti-war article where US is perpetrator).
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Re:One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine by kasey_junk on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @03:16PM (#30923609)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knight_Ridder

Famously debunked the justifications for the Iraq war at the time they were being spread.

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/18/sergei-lavrov-...

The Russians view Fox News as a balanced news source.

Walter Kronkite, perhaps the most famous TV anchor in US history was publicly against the Vietnam war https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Cronkite

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Re:One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine by d0mine on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @06:17AM (#30930388)
Is there an example of the media that still exist today?

Iraq war is where "embed" journalism became the only acceptable source where journalists were killed by US.

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Re:One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine by kasey_junk on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @07:42AM (#30930946)
That link about Fox News is from two weeks ago.

Fox News is the most widely watched news network in the US.

Tucker Carlson has the highest rated show on that network and has taken an anti-Ukraine stance.

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Re:One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine by d0mine on Friday April 08, 2022 @02:21PM (#30960688)
I don't believe you are seriously considering Fox News to be independent (I wouldn't even consider it as a source of information).

The insanity that they are spewing is just a tool to create the illusion of a debate.

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Re:One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine by Symbiote on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @02:19PM (#30922807)
You have changed the question.

Russia has banned foreign media, in addition to restricting local media to publishing the government view.

Since I'm British, and you'd probably consider the US and UK equivalent for this purpose, here's a major British newspaper article arguing against NATO action in Libya: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/mar/23/nothin...

(Given https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guardian_US, it probably counts for the US anyway.)

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Re:One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine by NoOn3 on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @05:09PM (#30925070)
I understand that Russian ban of foreign media is not good, but some west countries banned Russian media too and created special difficulties for them early...
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Re:One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine by yywwbbn on Wednesday April 06, 2022 @04:18AM (#30929727)
Generally I don’t support limiting free speech or even banning Russia TV channels in this case. But let’s not pretend that quasi independent government propaganda department are equivalent to western media companies.
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Re:One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine by NoOn3 on Thursday April 07, 2022 @04:41PM (#30950083)
As a Russian that make me sad that our media uses such a very hacky work strategy, sometimes add fakes some times try to color clearly events in the beneficial side. But I think that it's clearly in Russian media and Russian political view point has some clear truths that Western media not always want to show and our media could have represented their point of view much better. But I saw fakes in western media too, and quite often, although perhaps in smaller quantities... I even know one News TV presenter on Russian central channel it's strange, but it seems to me that he never say fakes, does not try to embellish events in one direction or another, but it only airs on Saturday evenings news and then not every time.
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Re:One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine by yywwbbn on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @03:16PM (#30923598)
Comedy Central. Technically not an article, but Jon Stewart (also technically not a journalist, but imho he was better at being one than actual journalists) was pretty open about opposing the Iraq war. I assume in Russia he’d already be serving his 15+ year sentence?

Yes the US has problems. But Russia is just on another level considering that being a free and independent media source is literally illegal there.

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Re:One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine by SamBam on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @08:59PM (#30927126)
You're joking, right? US media has published plenty of anti-war articles where the US was the perpetrator.

Even forgetting the Pentagon Papers already mentioned, papers have published the abuses in Guantanamo and the Iraq War Logs. Plenty of articles have documented killings of civilians by US drones. And plenty of editorial boards have written articles calling on the US to end whatever current war it's fighting.

Sure, big media probably kowtows more to the government than we'd like, but they absolutely are free criticize the wartime actions of the government.

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Re:One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine by FormerBandmate on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @05:41PM (#30925393)
The Intercept, the Grey Zone, and a bunch of other American media sources literally take the opposite position of the government every time
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Re:One App – Two Worlds: This Is TikTok in Russia and Ukraine by stefanfisk on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @02:49PM (#30923212)
https://www.democracynow.org has plenty.
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