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Re:Amazon worker chat app to ban words such as “union”, “pay... by olalonde on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @01:14AM (#30915524)
> I cannot imagine anyone here seriously defending this unless you’re just looking to be a contrarian.

HN has a large libertarian base who are against regulated unions. They are seen as bad government interference in the free enterprise system. I don't want to start an argument but there's a lot of economics science that supports that belief.

Re:Amazon worker chat app to ban words such as “union”, “pay... by tsimionescu on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @01:51AM (#30915691)
Well, if your arguments are coming from "economics science", feel free to make them. It's usually very entertaining to see what crazy things economists convince themselves to believe, while also thinking they are doing science.
Re:Amazon worker chat app to ban words such as “union”, “pay... by olalonde on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @11:12AM (#30920051)
HN isn't the best place for that (see the many emotionally charged replies to my comment). I just wanted to point out that it was possible to be anti-union without being contrarian.
Re:Amazon worker chat app to ban words such as “union”, “pay... by attilaperez on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @01:53AM (#30915707)
Economics is not a science, it's an art. Believe me.
Re:Amazon worker chat app to ban words such as “union”, “pay... by wickedsickeune on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @02:21AM (#30915855)
There is no need for "belief", it is literally not a science, it does not adhere to the scientific method.
Re:Amazon worker chat app to ban words such as “union”, “pay... by tikwidd on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @06:17AM (#30917217)
You still have to get from "unions are bad" to "union discussion should be censored".
Re:Amazon worker chat app to ban words such as “union”, “pay... by kqr on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @06:34AM (#30917313)
Censored is not technically the right word, though. You don't directly get thrown in jail for discussing union stuff.
Re:Amazon worker chat app to ban words such as “union”, “pay... by jamincan on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @08:07AM (#30917951)
censorship ≠ incarceration
Re:Amazon worker chat app to ban words such as “union”, “pay... by kqr on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @10:28AM (#30919436)
Well, almost. Censorship is generally backed by some sort of threat of violence.

If I refuse to propagate speech I disagree with, it might be hypocritical of me, or just impolite, but it's not censorship.

Re:Amazon worker chat app to ban words such as “union”, “pay... by stepbeek on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @04:16AM (#30916514)
What kind of libertarianism? Afaik left-libertarianism is in favour of unions. If it's right-libertarianism you're referencing then can you share some of the "economics science" that promotes it?
Re:Amazon worker chat app to ban words such as “union”, “pay... by perryizgr8 on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @04:44AM (#30916672)
"Left" libertarianism is an oxymoron. Any philosophy that prioritises the collective over the individual is inherently illiberal.
Re:Amazon worker chat app to ban words such as “union”, “pay... by tsimionescu on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @06:21AM (#30917234)
The left vs right dichotomy doesn't have too much to do with collectivism vs individualism. For example, social conservatism is a right wing idea, but it is highly collectivistic (prioritizing social mores over individual freedom).

Left libertarianism typically means free market economics + democratically organized and owned workplaces + social libertarianism (free love, free religion, free drugs etc). Right libertarianism is similar, but emphasizes contractualism instead of democratic control.

Left libertarians typically scoff for example at corporations for their limitations on the personal freedoms of the workers, viewing it as a form of slavery.

Re:Amazon worker chat app to ban words such as “union”, “pay... by goodpoint on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @07:12AM (#30917533)
The very opposite.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism

"Libertarianism originated as a form of left-wing politics such as anti-authoritarian and anti-state socialists like anarchists,[6] especially social anarchists,[7] but more generally libertarian communists/Marxists and libertarian socialists"