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Re:Bucha Killings in Ukraine Lead Germany, France to Expel R... by ComradePhil on Monday April 04, 2022 @05:31PM (#30912178)
Groups like Azov are actively supported by the Ukrainian government, and videos of pow torture by them keeps coming out in social media. I am open to the idea that those are false-flag operations by the Russian army itself... but are you willing to consider that something like this can be a false-flag operation by groups like Azov with the knowledge or blessing of the Ukrainian government?
Re:Bucha Killings in Ukraine Lead Germany, France to Expel R... by decebalus1 on Monday April 04, 2022 @06:02PM (#30912538)
> Groups like Azov are actively supported by the Ukrainian government

So is the Wagner group with the Russian government. Your point being?

> videos of pow torture

As per the Russians, this is not a war. Hence, they're not prisoners of war. Or we can have our cake and eat it too? If something bad happens to a Russian soldier on Ukrainian territory, that's that all part of a 'Special Hospitality Operation'.

In terms of your second point, no.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_military_deception

By default, the Russians are lying, unless there's evidence that they're not. They lied about Crimea, they lied about invading Ukraine, they lied about the refugee corridors, they basically lied about everything, if it suited their goals. They're lying right now. Satellite images show that the mass graves were there since before the Russians left Bucha. What they did there is something all Eastern Europeans who had ancestors 'liberated' by the Russians know too well.. Not to minimize the current tragedy, but this is tame compared to the past exploits of the Red Army. I bet this is just the tip of the iceberg and that the south-east of Ukraine is pretty much hell on earth right now.

Re:Bucha Killings in Ukraine Lead Germany, France to Expel R... by ttybird2 on Thursday April 07, 2022 @03:48AM (#30941816)
"As per the Russians, this is not a war"

Same for Iraq, Libya, etc. Declarations of war mostly died after WWII.

"Hence, they're not prisoners of war"

They are to be treated as civilians then, according to the Geneva convention.

"By default, the Russians are lying, unless there's evidence that they're not"

This is true for pretty much every sovereign state active on geopolitical games. Everyone will try to use PR/propaganda to justify their actions and get more people to support their cause, it is only natural.

Re:Bucha Killings in Ukraine Lead Germany, France to Expel R... by Mikeb85 on Monday April 04, 2022 @07:48PM (#30913472)
> Groups like Azov are actively supported by the Ukrainian government

Because they're defending Ukraine amidst an invasion? Also keep in mind the extremist leaders of Azov left when they were made part of the National Guard.

> but are you willing to consider that something like this can be a false-flag operation by groups like Azov with the knowledge or blessing of the Ukrainian government?

Is levelling all of Mariupol a false flag? Azov doesn't even have the capability... As for Bucha, Azov operates entirely near, well, the sea of Azov (guess where they got their name from?) ie. Mariupol, which is some distance and separated from Bucha (which is north of Kyiv).

And what does Ukraine gain from a false flag of killing civilians at this point? They know the west won't help. Meanwhile Russia is trying to demoralise them to surrender knowing that they'll never face repercussions for their atrocities...

Re:Bucha Killings in Ukraine Lead Germany, France to Expel R... by ethanwillis on Monday April 04, 2022 @05:51PM (#30912426)
Let's talk about Azov again when Russians aren't standing on foreign soil. Also according to Russia they can't be PoW if there isn't a war. What protections are afforded to foreign spies?
Re:Bucha Killings in Ukraine Lead Germany, France to Expel R... by ComradePhil on Monday April 04, 2022 @06:47PM (#30912984)
> if there isn't a war

If Russia is not calling this a war, why it RT reporting it as "war"?

https://www.rt.com/news/552636-stoltenberg-stays-nato-ukrain...

Re:Bucha Killings in Ukraine Lead Germany, France to Expel R... by ethanwillis on Monday April 04, 2022 @08:29PM (#30913798)
Show me where Russian government officials claim it's a war and not a special military operation.

Also explain the discrepancy in writing in the Russian version of the same article. For some reason for Russian speakers it's a "situtation" in Ukraine. https://russian.rt.com/world/news/980654-god-nato-stoltenber...

"Лидеры НАТО согласовали продление полномочий генсека альянса Йенса Столтенберга ещё на год на фоне ситуации на Украине."

Don't assume that people are fucking stupid just because you think they only know English.

Re:Bucha Killings in Ukraine Lead Germany, France to Expel R... by rasz on Monday April 04, 2022 @11:47PM (#30915101)
https://mobile.twitter.com/JimmySecUK/status/151100189918462...

"The head of the DNR, Denis Pushilin, awarding a medal to Lieutenant Colonel Timur Kurilkin for "destroying 250 Nazis" - which is ironic, considering Kurilkin has two neo-Nazi patches clearly visible on his uniform."

Re:Bucha Killings in Ukraine Lead Germany, France to Expel R... by trasz on Monday April 04, 2022 @06:23PM (#30912759)
Those Russians aren’t POWs, they are just state-sponsored terrorists. Killing them in any way available is a lesser evil.