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Re:Proposed EU rules would require clothes to last longer an... by ghaff on Sunday April 03, 2022 @07:38PM (#30901878)
I do not want my furnace second guessing the outside temperature based on a potentially unreliable local weather forecast. Yes I would generally prefer to trust verified industrial controller code from the manufacturer that trained service people are familiar with for what’s a critical system in many parts of the world.

Individuals are of course welcome to hack together what they want using Arduinos or whatever.

Again I very deliberately do not have a smart thermostat or other network connections to my heating so no surveillance is going on. I do have network-connected temperature sensor but it’s purely passive.

Re:Proposed EU rules would require clothes to last longer an... by mindslight on Sunday April 03, 2022 @07:50PM (#30901960)
That's not really addressing the core of my point. Sure, you personally can choose to be conservative and not adopt something promising the world based on "libre". And you probably shouldn't unless you want to tinker. But if it becomes common and shows to be more flexible and reliable, perhaps you will change your view.

I too critically rely on heating. As system complexity increases with things like outside temperature sensors, I would much rather have visibility into their workings than not. In the middle of the night, that could be the difference between a quick ten minute diagnose and override, or waiting some hours for an emergency service call.

Re:Proposed EU rules would require clothes to last longer an... by ClumsyPilot on Sunday April 03, 2022 @07:40PM (#30901891)
Suppose the furnace gets the temperature wrong, what's the worst outcome? Surely the furmware should not allow absurd values like -100 or over 100?
Re:Proposed EU rules would require clothes to last longer an... by ghaff on Sunday April 03, 2022 @08:53PM (#30902339)
I honestly don’t know. And honestly for 99% of people being able to look at the code to examine what would happen is irrelevant. In this case the false reading was within basically normal parameters. It was just about 50 degrees too high which meant the house was barely being heated (was about 45 degrees inside) on a very cold day.
Re:Proposed EU rules would require clothes to last longer an... by mindslight on Sunday April 03, 2022 @11:03PM (#30902984)
The function of the external temperature sensor is so that the furnace can put out a lower amount of (instantaneous) heat when it's less cold out, so that it can operate more efficiently. On cold days, it puts out a larger amount of heat to keep up with the larger heat loss requirements.

I had a similar failure with my hot water boiler, where an older solid state control failed such that when the circulator would kick on the burner would shut off. This allowed it to limp along heating, until a day when it was too cold out and I realized it wasn't keeping up.

re: libre software, my point isn't really about being able to audit the code, but rather about having a cross-device software-maintainer-maintained codebase that users choose to use.

FWIW another, probably better, way to mitigate this particular external temperature sensor failure mode would be a second larger control loop. When the indoor temperature is more than a few degrees below the setpoint (not as a result of a scheduled change), the furnace should be less-efficiently creating a larger amount of heat to get back up to the setpoint quicker. Which is funnily enough how people think most thermostats work when they ineffectively turn it up higher to get things warmer faster.