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Re:How to get kids to do chores: Does the Maya method work? ... by virtualritz on Sunday April 03, 2022 @08:14AM (#30896293)
> [...] rinses the dishes for the dishwasher [...]

Is that a thing in the US? My current dishwasher is from 2015, stock standard Ikea.

I never had to rinse anything for it to come out sparkling clean. Even in the fast program that only runs 64mins.

The other day I had an Airbnb guest from NYC and I saw him rinsing. And when asked why he told me that was necessary because the dishwasher couldn't cope with it otherwise and stuff would come out dirty.

He looked perplexed when I told him no dishwasher I used for over twenty years required rinsing beforehand.

Is this 'rinsing requirement' an urban myth sticking around in some areas of the world?

Edit: I live in Berlin but have been living in Australia, the UK, Japan and Italy over the last two decades. No dishwashers in the apartments I lived in in those countries required rinsing either.

Re:How to get kids to do chores: Does the Maya method work? ... by bhdy55 on Sunday April 03, 2022 @08:41AM (#30896407)
Do you run the dishwasher as soon as you put items in it, or do put items in throughout the day but not run it until it's full?

I wonder if some of the disagreement over this is because food becomes more stuck on the longer one leaves it, and so rinsing is needed if you are not going to start the dishwasher for another 12-18 hours?

Re:How to get kids to do chores: Does the Maya method work? ... by GuB-42 on Sunday April 03, 2022 @11:30AM (#30897646)
From my experience, rinsing doesn't seem to have much of an effect, no matter how long the food stays in the dishwasher. I use long cycles though, maybe short cycles benefit from it. Scraping other the trashcan is useful to avoid clogging the filters if your dishwasher doesn't have a shredder.

Sometimes, dishes don't clean properly, usually, it is because the dishwasher is not loaded properly, or overloaded, but when it isn't, simple rinsing typically wouldn't have helped, and washing the dishes before putting them in the dishwasher makes you wonder why use a dishwasher in the first place.

I am aware that commercial dishwashers are a completely different things. These things usually run much more aggressive, faster cycles and they are more about sanitizing than washing, so vigorous rinsing may be necessary.

Re:How to get kids to do chores: Does the Maya method work? ... by virtualritz on Sunday April 03, 2022 @08:54AM (#30896492)
I run it when it's full. I am single and have a dishwasher that is big enough for a family of four (came with the apartment I'm renting).

So I run it once every 3–4 days on the quick program when it is full. Some dishes will then have sat in it for up to four days ofc.

Re:How to get kids to do chores: Does the Maya method work? ... by bentcorner on Sunday April 03, 2022 @11:00AM (#30897405)
I love this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rBO8neWw04&t=0s

Dishwasher pods are heavily marketed in the US and actually wash more poorly compared to plain powder. With pods the pre-wash ends up running without detergent, so rinsing off dishes becomes necessary.

Re:How to get kids to do chores: Does the Maya method work? ... by Wowfunhappy on Sunday April 03, 2022 @01:10PM (#30898541)
Consumer Reports disagrees. Not all dishwasher pods rank better, but pods consistently make up the vast majority of their top picks, or they have at all of the times I’ve been subscribed.

(I usually buy a month of access every couple of years or so. Mostly to see the updated dishwasher detergent reviews tbqh.)

Re:How to get kids to do chores: Does the Maya method work? ... by elpatoisthebest on Sunday April 03, 2022 @04:17PM (#30900246)
I wonder if Consumer Reports has done this test since they tweeted this response and compared the pods to detergent using the pre wash dispenser.

https://twitter.com/ConsumerReports/status/13410672702195916...

Re:How to get kids to do chores: Does the Maya method work? ... by Belphemur on Sunday April 03, 2022 @08:36AM (#30896378)
Dishwasher in the US and Canada are using hot water instead of cold water that is managed by the dishwasher.

Because of the quality of the water heater and the time it take for hot water to reach the dishwasher you have inconsistent washing.

Also most US brand of dishwasher rely on plastic components so I'm pretty sure they can't heat as well as full aluminium one.

Re:How to get kids to do chores: Does the Maya method work? ... by xboxnolifes on Sunday April 03, 2022 @12:10PM (#30897969)
> Is that a thing in the US

For the most part (ignoring old/damaged washers) it's just a holdover from the older generation. My parents and their parents did it, and I expect many of my cohort follow through by example. However, I do not rinse and the results come out the same.

The only caveat being that you will still get dirty spots if you over fill or place poorly certain shaped things. This happens regardless of rinsing, and I believe contributes to the myth

Re:How to get kids to do chores: Does the Maya method work? ... by culopatin on Sunday April 03, 2022 @09:29AM (#30896756)
My garbage whirlpool dishwasher looks to be from the 90s and a cheap version from back then. I can put a clean plate in it and it might come out dirty. Also part of the rental and my landlord is impossible to deal with so here we are.

It doesn’t have a removable filter, just some sort of grille in the back that I have to clean between loads and the shitty texture makes it grip crap like Velcro, not fun.

Re:How to get kids to do chores: Does the Maya method work? ... by thrower123 on Sunday April 03, 2022 @08:21AM (#30896323)
Dishwasher soap in the US is garbage now, so you have to scrub anything that might possibly stick on, despite the wash cycle on my dishwasher taking nearly two and a half hours.
Re:How to get kids to do chores: Does the Maya method work? ... by virtualritz on Sunday April 03, 2022 @09:03AM (#30896552)
I do not think the soap is such a factor.

The tabs I use are environmental friendly. I.e. no phosphates, no palm oil, no chlorine. The wrapper dissolves in the machine (an algae-based polymer similar to what is used for capsules to deliver meds).

The packaging says:

15-30% bleaching agent based on oxygen.

<5% non-ionic surfactants

phosphonates, enzymes (protease, amylase), perfume

Re:How to get kids to do chores: Does the Maya method work? ... by uxp100 on Sunday April 03, 2022 @08:40AM (#30896404)
I live in the US, never pre rinse, used cascade platinum or some homemade mix of washing soda and essential oils I received as a gift, both work great, dishes are very clean in the machine.
Re:How to get kids to do chores: Does the Maya method work? ... by newaccount74 on Sunday April 03, 2022 @02:42PM (#30899477)
If I rinse the dishes, I can use the 20min express program and dishes are sparkling and dry. I use that program because plastic stuff dries better than with the standard program, and we often have more dishes than fit in the dishwasher and I don't want to wait an hour.

Also, some foods (egg yolk, dried porridge) don't come off in the dishwasher.

Re:How to get kids to do chores: Does the Maya method work? ... by tgsovlerkhgsel on Sunday April 03, 2022 @01:13PM (#30898574)
No rinsing, even when I let the stuff dry up. Doesn't matter if you select a fast or slow program either, with one exception: The EU mandated "eco" program that is by law the default. Avoid that at all costs because you'd have to run it twice.
Re:How to get kids to do chores: Does the Maya method work? ... by beckingz on Sunday April 03, 2022 @04:15PM (#30900228)
At a job back in school for a German Historical Institute in the US, I started rinsing dishes and my manager said "You don't need to pre-wash, it's a German Dishwasher"
Re:How to get kids to do chores: Does the Maya method work? ... by andrewflnr on Sunday April 03, 2022 @02:25PM (#30899331)
A lot of us are still stuck with old, crappy dishwashers. With mine you're lucky if they come out clean even with rinsing.