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Re:L.A. judge rules LGBT corporate diversity law unconstitut... by PaulDavisThe1st on Saturday April 02, 2022 @08:02PM (#30892801)
The difficulty is that as a society we have already gone some way towards identifying protected group status, even though there is some disagreement near the edges. The definition does not cover the distinction between people of Scots-Irish descent living in Appalachia and those from Northern English Puritan descent with a history in New England. Perhaps it should, but it currently does not, and so until we shift the broad definition of protected group status, that sort of distinction is casually tossed into the "don't care" bin by current social and legal norms.

I personally am in the "class matters more in terms of discriminiation than race", but I acknowledge serious and well-intentioned and well-informed objections to this understanding. I would prefer to see us focus on class-based discrimination (with class defined primarily in economic terms), because I think this more equitable and ultimately gives us greater (social) bang for each (legal) buck. That said, the category of "underrepresented" in the CA law is broadly (though not precisely) in line with current legal understanding, and I'm not sure it's based on a different concept that current civil rights laws or jurisprudence. The real issue is whether the state can pro-actively discriminate in an attempt to remediate the discrimination it has stated as its target.

Re:L.A. judge rules LGBT corporate diversity law unconstitut... by rayiner on Saturday April 02, 2022 @09:34PM (#30893375)
There’s no such thing as a “protected group” in the law. There are “suspect categories” such as race, religion, etc. But it’s not any more legal to discriminate against whites or men than to discriminate against Hispanics or women.

Moreover, the California law improperly conflates discrimination with structural disadvantage. It’s definition of “underrepresented” reflects people who might face discrimination. But that’s a different thing than facing structural disadvantages—persistent disparities that can’t be remediated simply by addressing prejudices conduct—which is the linchpin of affirmative action programs.

Hispanics and Asians are just modern day Italians or Irish. They may face discrimination, but the data shows that they don’t really face structural barriers to closing gaps with “white” Americans. Appalachians, by contrast, likely don’t face much discrimination, but face large and persistent structural gaps. These are two quite different categories and it’s nonsensical to conflate them.

Re:L.A. judge rules LGBT corporate diversity law unconstitut... by PaulDavisThe1st on Saturday April 02, 2022 @10:56PM (#30893949)
> There’s no such thing as a “protected group” in the law.

No such thing as a protected group ... sure, but there are characteristics that is legal to discriminate on the basis of (e.g. you like King Crimson too much) and ones that are illegal (e.g. you have a Y chromosome)

CA's definition of "underrepresented" does not reflect who might face discrimination; it reflects people who are underrepresented in certain kinds of positions in society and are prima facie concluded to therefore be discriminated against.

Re:L.A. judge rules LGBT corporate diversity law unconstitut... by rectang on Saturday April 02, 2022 @10:28PM (#30893783)
For what it's worth, I've been reading your writing here for a long time, and to see you make a comment which allows for the possible existence of either structural barriers or discrimination in the contemporary United States made me feel as though today's discussion was less than 100% hopeless. That the structural barriers you cite apply to Appalachians doesn't bother me, they're a good example.