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Re:Justice Clarence Thomas uncovered a seven-year-old bug in... by rayiner on Friday April 01, 2022 @02:02PM (#30881295)
I have heard from various seasoned Supreme Court practitioners and former clerks that you can typically only lose ground in oral arguments, not gain it. I.e. Oral argument that can be carefully crafted and gussied up in the briefing can fall apart under scrutiny at argument. But you'll rarely if ever be able to persuade the Court at oral argument about a point that wasn't persuasive in dozens of pages of briefing.

My favorite example of this is in Citizens United, where the Government's attorney, in response to a question from Justice Alito, conceded that the Government's interpretation of the First Amendment would allow it to ban political books close to an election. See pp. 26-27: https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcr...

Re:Justice Clarence Thomas uncovered a seven-year-old bug in... by s1artibartfast on Friday April 01, 2022 @02:20PM (#30881555)
Regarding citizens united, is that really something that only came to light in oral arguments? Isn't this a criticism that the opposition would raise in their own briefing package?

Was the relevance simply the admission that the government didn't have an answer to the criticism?

Re:Justice Clarence Thomas uncovered a seven-year-old bug in... by rayiner on Friday April 01, 2022 @03:13PM (#30882166)
You’re correct that the significance was that the government’s admission at argument revealed that it did not have a robust principle for distinguishing between the political movie at issue in that case with books.

I don’t recall the details, but I’m sure it came up in the opposition’s briefs. But in a brief you can paper over a thin argument to an extent. You can accuse the opposition of invoking a slippery slope, spend a lot of words making subtle distinctions, etc. It’s certainly fair to say that parties’ briefs often overstate the gravity of the consequences one way or another. So upon reading the briefs, the response might seem quite plausible. But when you’re forced to give a succinct answer to a direct question at oral argument, that kind of evasion falls apart and you’re forced to fully own the implications of your position.