Re:Man, 19, jailed for racially abusing Marcus Rashford on T...
by freddealmeida on Thursday March 31, 2022 @12:39PM
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Ridiculous. no one should be jailed for words. No matter how much we hate those words. Justice is in correcting the world so we never think like this. But that would be impossible with these kind of thoughts.
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Re:Man, 19, jailed for racially abusing Marcus Rashford on T...
by sokoloff on Thursday March 31, 2022 @01:52PM
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I’m a staunch advocate of free speech, but I think that a specific and credible threat of violence should be considered a crime (assault) and subject to prosecution, even though it’s “just words”.
Re:Man, 19, jailed for racially abusing Marcus Rashford on T...
by burntoutfire on Thursday March 31, 2022 @02:13PM
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Similarly, fraud is "just words". This point of view seems to assume that words carry very little weight, while our civilization is based on them.
Re:Man, 19, jailed for racially abusing Marcus Rashford on T...
by cato_the_elder on Thursday March 31, 2022 @02:30PM
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> a specific and credible threat of violence
But that doesn't seem to be the case here at all.
Re:Man, 19, jailed for racially abusing Marcus Rashford on T...
by sokoloff on Thursday March 31, 2022 @02:39PM
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Correct. It is responsive to “no one should be jailed for words” not to “this guy should/shouldn’t be jailed for his specific words”.
Re:Man, 19, jailed for racially abusing Marcus Rashford on T...
by conradludgate on Thursday March 31, 2022 @02:41PM
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Words can be extremely damaging. The US has libel and slander laws. What's so different about hate speech? It's harmful, almost as harmful as some forms of physical abuse.
Don't forget that most domestic abuse and physical abuse starts as verbal abuse, so criminalising that is not unreasonable
Re:Man, 19, jailed for racially abusing Marcus Rashford on T...
by breakyerself on Thursday March 31, 2022 @01:02PM
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The UK has it's own standards for speech. They don't need to adhere to the free speech absolutism of the United States. This would be unacceptable in the United States, but many places do not protect racist speech. Theres good arguments on both sides. We'll see which works out better in the long run.