It's "easy" when you have no choice, no freedom over how you want to live your life.

I think the freedom in the west is oversold, and lack of it in China is also oversold...

Trade of this century: Short US ("Bottled Freedom-Lite"), Short China ("We Peg Our Markets To Bottled Freedom-Lite's")

The trick is to structure it to not be long the USD or CNH/CNY for any of the gains.

>we already copying them with contactless payments

Pretty sure South Korea invented these, and China copied them.

What makes you think that they don't index, track, process and do whatever with these conversations? Just because users don't see it, it does not mean it doesn't happen.

i never said they don't

i said it is the addition of the steps and their expectation in the west that i find weird, replying to OP's story

wich i assume he has an agenda to push some services over there to compete with chinese ones

then i mention things they have and we don't

maybe that is the result of not always expecting what the west expect, wich allows them to be this agile and adopt things much quicker, wich allows them to go past the post industrial age quicker

we seen it already with 5G

what prevented that to happen in the west? lack of education, lack of market will to invest, they wanted their society to remain in the bronze age because more profitable, and also some of westerners believe 5G is a conspiracy

it's weird isn't it?

they do what we can't do because we built a society around profits first

> there is a lot to learn from china, we already copying them with contactless payments, even though our "market" doesn't want it because they want to make sure business are subscribing to service with insane fees first

Contactless payments are already widespread in every Western nation that isn't the US.

Contactless payments are becoming more widespread in the US. At this point, the only store that I frequent that doesn’t accept contactless payment is Home Depot. I recently went on a week long road trip and 90+% of my transactions were contactless.

They are widespread in the US too. Yes, we were slower to adopt them than others, but for the last few years we have had them.

It's very recent, wich is the point of my post, we lost so much time with meaningless things

Contactless payments was already adopted in Canada for several years by 2010 [1]. It’s not recent. Not sure why US is slow in this adoption though

[1] See first two sentences here:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/new-credit-cards-pose-securi...

Come on, it was just for a very small minority, and you couldn't do it for every payments, most businesses refused for small payments because of the fees, "CC only after X dollar" kind of rules

And you still can't use your phone, a joke this system is

> It's very recent, wich is the point of my post, we lost so much time with meaningless things

But again, outside of the US it isn't. Contactless payments have been common in Europe and had widespread usage for a decade. Chinese and European adoption was pretty similar.

> always want things to be indexed, tracked, advertised, promoted, pumped, dumped, profited, exploited, abused etc etc etc..

this is literally what China does lol

I can buy almost anything by tapping my phone in NYC today, including public transit fare.

China really does take that to another level - when you order a meal in a restaurant and get the bill it has a WeChat or AliPay QR code on it. Scan the code and you've got a pre-populated payment for your meal that can be processed without sitting around trying to get the waiter to bring a card machine to you.

At least in the UK that exists to some degree post-covid, but its in the form of every pub chain in the country having its own crappy mobile app for ordering via a phone.

> the west always want things to be indexed, tracked, advertised, promoted, pumped, dumped, profited, exploited, abused etc etc etc..

Well, seems like you want to look at things from the point of view of "I hate surveillance capitalism!".

I remember trying to look up how to jailbreak an iPhone 6. Google results were a mostly forum posts talking about iPhone 4 jailbreaks, and it'd be 1 forum post of content and dozens and dozens of people saying "Great job!", "Thanks!", etc, which aggravated the hell out of me. This is persisting something which should be ephemeral (since I feel like dozens of "Thanks!" are valueless 10 seconds after they're uttered)

How do you expect to find information if they're not persisted/searchable anywhere, it'd be like in the old ages where you have to figure out the right master who has the know how and reach out to him.