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Re:Shadow credit score could decide whether you get an apart... by josephcsible on Tuesday March 29, 2022 @05:59PM (#30848919)
Regular credit scores existing isn't dystopian at all (though there are some issues with exactly how they're implemented). In principle, they're just a formalization of the concept that if you've broken promises to pay people in the past, they're less likely to trust you to keep your promises going forward.
Re:Shadow credit score could decide whether you get an apart... by hedora on Wednesday March 30, 2022 @12:02AM (#30851375)
The entire credit score industry is completely dystopian.

If the court system worked at all, you could just pull court records checking for judgments saying the applicant defaulted on a loan.

That won't work because courts are too expensive, and also because it's less profitable than extortion via debt collection.

Also, it would prevent the banks from creating protection rackets (no house for you unless you have and use credit cards!), or being "accidentally" racist/classist/etc (oops! The algorithm says your type need not apply. Our hands are tied.)

Re:Shadow credit score could decide whether you get an apart... by throwawaygh on Wednesday March 30, 2022 @01:23AM (#30851753)
If the court system worked at all, you would be able to sue credit reporting agencies for libel when they lie to others about a credit line that you never took out.

Especially when the only reason that credit line was taken out was because they leaked your SSN and DOB during a period when their CISO was a music major.

But the FCRA protects these liars from consequences, so here we are.

Re:Shadow credit score could decide whether you get an apart... by archhn on Tuesday March 29, 2022 @07:30PM (#30849679)
Such reports say nothing about circumstances. It has nothing to do with your "trustworthiness." It typically reflects economic precariousness. Did you not pay because you lost your job? Or maybe you incurred a huge medical bill which required you to skip out on some bills...etc.

Cold ideological dismissals like this that ignore what is actually happening to people are making me increasingly bitter. It's almost like you're saying "Let them eat cake."

Re:Shadow credit score could decide whether you get an apart... by oneoff786 on Tuesday March 29, 2022 @08:18PM (#30850062)
When requesting credit, you’re basically stating that you’re good for the money. If you’re economically unstable, that might not be true.

No sense in getting offended at the idea someone is saying you’re dishonest.

Re:Shadow credit score could decide whether you get an apart... by archhn on Wednesday March 30, 2022 @11:59AM (#30857007)
Some people have no control over their environment. Suddenly getting laid off isn't a mark of "dishonesty."

It is offensive when "unforeseen circumstances" is casted as "dishonesty." This kind of thing is routinely done to criminalize the poor.

Re:Shadow credit score could decide whether you get an apart... by oneoff786 on Wednesday March 30, 2022 @08:05PM (#30862338)
It’s not about dishonesty. That’s my point. It’s likelihood that you will pay back. You can be an honest person and be unlikely to pay me back.
Re:Shadow credit score could decide whether you get an apart... by thrashh on Tuesday March 29, 2022 @06:44PM (#30849298)
If anything, we just need mandated personal finance classes in high school since not everyone has parents/family to teach them.

It would go a long way.

Re:Shadow credit score could decide whether you get an apart... by archhn on Tuesday March 29, 2022 @07:34PM (#30849718)
It's the "thrift" argument all over again. You're projecting systematic economic problems onto the poor. Wages have been stagnant for many years. Inflation and cost of living is rising incredibly.

Can we at least make the government take a financially literacy class first? It is the biggest debtor in the world.

Re:Shadow credit score could decide whether you get an apart... by josephcsible on Tuesday March 29, 2022 @07:52PM (#30849861)
> Can we at least make the government take a financially literacy class first? It is the biggest debtor in the world.

Having debt isn't the problem. Defaulting on it is, and the government doesn't do that.

Re:Shadow credit score could decide whether you get an apart... by brnaftr361 on Wednesday March 30, 2022 @01:35AM (#30851791)
Isn't the government, for practical purposes and intentions, effectively insolvent?
Re:Shadow credit score could decide whether you get an apart... by archhn on Wednesday March 30, 2022 @12:09PM (#30857151)
HN posters are mostly corporate workers, or institutionalized in some way. The individual is always wrong in their eyes, institutions are always right.

If an individual goes broke wracking up medical debt, "Too bad. You should have been more economically useful." If the government goes broke, "Uh, it's no problem."

I get it. They were trained to despise individuals and worship institutions. They stop singing this song when they get edged out of the system though. I've met many middle aged programmers that gave up all hope in life because they lost their economic value.

Hope you people aren't one of them.