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Re:Fuchsia Workstation by cogman10 on Monday March 28, 2022 @11:27AM (#30831530)
Fuchsia's driver handling is superior to what you get with linux. Because pretty much everything is pushed into userspace it makes it dead simple to keep a driver going forever.

Were I to guess, the prime motivation for Fuchsia would be to have a phone or IoT device which could regularly receive kernel updates without needing hardware vendor interaction. That's the biggest sore spot for linux. (not that I think Fuchsia's kernel would require a bunch of updates due to how simple it is).

This is an outsider's perspective. Definitely a big expensive project that reminds me of other big expensive google projects which seem DoA.

Re:Fuchsia Workstation by oblio on Monday March 28, 2022 @03:13PM (#30834390)
> Fuchsia's driver handling is superior to what you get with linux. Because pretty much everything is pushed into userspace it makes it dead simple to keep a driver going forever.

How does the lack of hardware vendor cooperation get improved by moving the problem into userspace?

You still need/want the hardware vendors to create drivers and update them, which they frequently don't.

I guess it's better because you're just going to be content with binary blobs?

Re:Fuchsia Workstation by xyzzyz on Monday March 28, 2022 @05:51PM (#30836076)
Yes, that's exactly the point: unlike Linux, and like Windows, Fuchsia defines binary interface for drivers. As long as new releases of Fuchsia keep supporting the old interface, old driver blobs will keep working.
Re:Fuchsia Workstation by surajrmal on Tuesday March 29, 2022 @02:45AM (#30839562)
It's common to conflate the idea of source availability with problems encountered by lack of binary stable interfaces. One of the problems with the status quo on Linux isn't that drivers aren't released as source, but that they aren't upstreamed. This causes the drivers to no longer be valid very quickly. If you solve the validity problem, folks can continue to release drivers, alongside their source and they will continue to be valid even as the rest of the operating system evolves. Just because Windows drivers tend to not have source available doesn't mean that it's a given the same will be true for fuchsia drivers. It is ultimately product makers who use fuchsia as a platform who drive the incentives for what driver authors do with their drivers.
Re:Fuchsia Workstation by cmrdporcupine on Monday March 28, 2022 @11:36AM (#30831626)
I don't think it will DoA. They shipped it on Nest Hub, and I'm sure they'll find other places to put it now.

And yeah I think you're pretty on about the driver/vendor comment.