Re:The Web as the ultimate tool of resilience for the world
by tannhaeuser on Monday March 28, 2022 @10:47AM
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W3C had released redacted snapshots (HTML 5, 5.1, and 5.2) of WHATWG's so-called "living standard", then published HTML 5.3 as a reference to a specific WHATWG commit and for a short time promised more supposedly at least qa'd snapshots, then last year finally gave up and just linked to WHATWG's head [1]. SVG2 didn't go anywhere either due to lack of interest of "browser vendors". MathML hasn't been updated in many years AFAIK. So that leaves ARIA and CSS.
Whatever W3C does and with due respect to TBL, as a self-proclaimed standardization body they've failed spectacularly to keep "browsers vendors" at bay and the web from being monopolized, and I think they should disband, if only to demonstrate to the world that the web isn't "standardized" in any meaningful sense of that word. Even HNers frequently have illusions about "web standards".
While on the way out, they might attempt to deliver CSS specs actually useful for developing browsers. Or maybe they want to venture into developing a browser themselves using their funds?
Re:The Web as the ultimate tool of resilience for the world
by rpastuszak on Monday March 28, 2022 @09:47AM
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Since the web standards are owned by WHATWG, any idea what the purpose of W3C is nowadays?
Re:The Web as the ultimate tool of resilience for the world
by Macha on Monday March 28, 2022 @09:57AM
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CSS, XML, SVG are still W3C standards
Re:The Web as the ultimate tool of resilience for the world
by doublerabbit on Monday March 28, 2022 @10:17AM
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Somehow I've not herd of WHATWG and according to the wiki article the active memberships are: Apple, Google, Microsoft and supposedly Mozilla?
The three largest tech companies own the internet standards? That's quite unsettling.
Re:The Web as the ultimate tool of resilience for the world
by mminer237 on Monday March 28, 2022 @10:55AM
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Regardless of who participates in drafting standards, those five control the de facto standards anyway as they make the five largest browsers.
Re:The Web as the ultimate tool of resilience for the world
by pdw on Monday March 28, 2022 @09:55AM
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XML and everything that's build on it
Re:The Web as the ultimate tool of resilience for the world
by ryukafalz on Monday March 28, 2022 @09:56AM
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I know they do standards work on top of web protocols these days. Those digital vaccination records were based on W3C’s Verifiable Credentials standard. (The US ones anyway; I’m not sure about those used elsewhere in the world.)
Re:The Web as the ultimate tool of resilience for the world
by robin_reala on Monday March 28, 2022 @09:50AM
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Just HTML, not anything else.
Re:The Web as the ultimate tool of resilience for the world
by Macha on Monday March 28, 2022 @09:58AM
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Note however that HTTP is a IETF standard, Javascript is an ECMA standard, so of the core web components, CSS is the last they control.
Re:The Web as the ultimate tool of resilience for the world
by robin_reala on Monday March 28, 2022 @10:10AM
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Right, but that’s not the only thing they do that’s used on the web. They also own and run XML, security specs like CSP and SRI, the WCAG accessibility guidelines, Web Payments, WebAuth, WebRTC, etc etc.
They also do non-web stuff that happens to use web standards, for example ePub3.
IIRC a few years ago W3C essentially handed over web standards to WHATWG, with the thinking being that it wasn't helpful to have 2 competing standards.