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Re:Kotlin for JavaScript by chalst on Sunday March 27, 2022 @04:18AM (#30818647)
Obligatory mention whenever anyone dicusses Sun's true motives for creating Java [1,2]. Sun's motives were anything but tidy. On Patrick Naughton's account, Sun's executive decision-making seems quite haphazard and opportunistic. Draw your own conclusions about the vagaries of individual perspectives or how typical this is of executive decision-making in general.

A line that might become amusing when you read the whole account:

> Thus began a long line of sporadic interjections by Bill [Joy| where he was right. He usually is.

[1]: http://www.blinkenlights.com/classiccmp/javaorigin.html

[2]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30613578

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Re:Kotlin for JavaScript by pjmlp on Sunday March 27, 2022 @04:45AM (#30818740)
Sun created Java to go against Microsoft, that isn't the discussion on the table, rather Kotlin and it being a guest language on the JVM, with a community that usually bashes the platform that made Kotlin possible to start with
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Re:Kotlin for JavaScript by fivea on Sunday March 27, 2022 @05:33AM (#30818966)
It sounds like you are trying to find differences where there are none.

It also looks like you're forgetting that Java has been for years (decades) owned by Oracle, which is renowned for taking very public legal fights to milk Java to the extreme.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_LLC_v._Oracle_America,_....

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Re:Kotlin for JavaScript by pjmlp on Sunday March 27, 2022 @08:33AM (#30819744)
Nah, that is Kotlin fanbase trying to move goalposts.

Java has been owned by Sun, and then Oracle, and it was more closed source during Sun's stewardship than Oracle's.

The first lawsuit was done by Sun against Microsoft, and they only missed the one against Google, because they were out of money by them.

Unfortunately Google got away with screwing up Sun, not happy with that, they keep using they flavoured Android Java when selling Kotlin's push into the ecosystem.

Still in all these years, Java was never used to sell Netbeans commercial licenses, regardless of how you to try to change the music.

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Re:Kotlin for JavaScript by fivea on Sunday March 27, 2022 @08:50AM (#30819827)
> Still in all these years, Java was never used to sell Netbeans commercial licenses (...)

But that's completely irrelevant, isn't it? Cherry-picking aside, don't you understand how loss leaders work, and how companies use that strategy to push the sale of their cash cows?

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Re:Kotlin for JavaScript by spion on Sunday March 27, 2022 @10:37AM (#30820556)
Microsoft created the LSP to go against JetBrains :)
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