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Re:U.S. Surnames with No Vowels by oehtXRwMkIs on Sunday March 27, 2022 @03:04AM (#30818345)
How do you pronounce anything without a vowel sound?
Re:U.S. Surnames with No Vowels by adrian_b on Sunday March 27, 2022 @06:20AM (#30819149)
A vowel sound is a sound that can form a syllable alone, without being combined with other sounds, like a consonant, or which can be the peak of sonority in a syllable composed of multiple sounds.

In Latin & Ancient Greek, which are the origin of the grammatical terms that most people learn in school, only A, E, I, O and U could be used as vowels. Because of that, when most people hear about vowels, they think about these sounds.

Nevertheless, in most languages there are also other sounds that can be used as vowels. Even in English, words like "listen" or "often" have 2 syllables and the vowel of the second syllable is "N". Another example is "people", which also has 2 syllables and the second vowel is "L". Among the English speakers, there are variations. In words like the previous examples, some speakers pronounce a short central vowel before the final "N" or "L", which remain consonants, but other speakers transition directly into the final "N" or "L" from the previous plosive, in which case "N" or "L" are the vowels of the second syllable.

Like in English, there are many languages where the liquids (e.g. "L", "R") or the nasals (e.g. "N", "M") may be used as vowels. While English has restrictions for where such vowels may appear, other languages allow their use in much more kinds of sound environments.

These kinds of sounds can be used as vowels when alone or when surrounded by sounds of lower sonority than them, because when they are pronounced there are also paths for the continuous expiration of air through the mouth or nose, even if they are more constricted than in the sounds more frequently used as vowels, e.g. AEIOU (i.e. like you can pronounce continuously AAAAAAAA, you can also pronounce for as long as you want LLLLLLLL or NNNNNNNNNNNN).

Re:U.S. Surnames with No Vowels by henrikschroder on Sunday March 27, 2022 @03:08AM (#30818356)
Brrrr, it's cold today!
Re:U.S. Surnames with No Vowels by joe-collins on Sunday March 27, 2022 @03:17AM (#30818390)
/bɜr/

That's a vowel in there.

Re:U.S. Surnames with No Vowels by hvdijk on Sunday March 27, 2022 @03:53AM (#30818520)
There are different ways people say "brrr" in English. Many of those ways have a vowel in, but not all.
Re:U.S. Surnames with No Vowels by Asraelite on Sunday March 27, 2022 @08:20AM (#30819680)
Yeah, a nice example for this is "myrrh" because it's a full word, not something paralinguistic like brrr. It's one of very few examples of English words that can in certain dialects be spelled and pronounced without a traditional vowel.
Re:U.S. Surnames with No Vowels by boomboomsubban on Sunday March 27, 2022 @03:26AM (#30818422)
Hmmm. Can be said without moving your lips or opening your mouth.
Re:U.S. Surnames with No Vowels by meepmorp on Sunday March 27, 2022 @07:14AM (#30819377)
Yes, but it ends with /m/. Nasal stop consonants are articulated with an open velum, so they function as semi-vowels, as /l/ and /r/ do.
Re:U.S. Surnames with No Vowels by DonHopkins on Sunday March 27, 2022 @10:04AM (#30820328)
Pththth!
Re:U.S. Surnames with No Vowels by Broken_Hippo on Sunday March 27, 2022 @05:26AM (#30818928)
Generally, with an added yet invisible vowel. Entire languages are written without vowels as we (with the latin alphabet/english speakers) would know them. (Hebrew and Arabic are the languages I had in mind).