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Re:The Shaming-Industrial Complex by jsnk on Sunday March 27, 2022 @03:04AM (#30818344)
It's maladaptive for some, but also effective for some others. It can be wielded as a weapon to destroy one's competition and enemies. It works especially well against whichever group of population that has more tendency to self-reflect and have capacity to feel shame. Whereas if a population doesn't feel shame or less shame or construct the standard so that the shaming only applies to one group but not the other, it can thrive in this kind of environment.
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Re:The Shaming-Industrial Complex by hunglee2 on Sunday March 27, 2022 @03:21AM (#30818404)
yes quite right, it even seems to be the case that being entirely shameless is a political advantage in a representative democratic system. Trump, Johnson, Bolsonaro, Modi - distinct politicians but all share the common theme of being able to avoid the penalty of shame but being conspicuously shameless
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Re:The Shaming-Industrial Complex by KarlKemp on Sunday March 27, 2022 @04:08AM (#30818593)
That’s the kind of reasoning people want to be true, as in „I’m not lazy, it’s just my perfectionism…“

Can anyone tag some name onto these shameless and shameful tribes? Because I can’t come up with anything that I would want to be associated with.

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Re:The Shaming-Industrial Complex by visarga on Sunday March 27, 2022 @05:18AM (#30818891)
Guilt–shame–fear spectrum of cultures

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guilt%E2%80%93shame%E2%80%93fe...

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Re:The Shaming-Industrial Complex by akomtu on Sunday March 27, 2022 @01:47PM (#30822279)
This looks a lot like one occult classification of souls: there are 3 positive types (those driven by action/will, love/compassion and wisdom/knowledge) and 3 negative types (posturing, vanity and fear). Every cycle of civilization is started by the former types, and are gradually replaced by the latter types.

This wiki page describes the 3 negative types, and the 3 different cultures they create. The posturing types want appearance of being strong and wise, they are those pseudo-scientists and fake saints, so they create a guilt society. The vanity types want to feel morally superior to others, they enjoy creating contrived dogmas and making others navigate these dogmatic mazes, and they create a shame society. Finally, the fear types create a fear society: in the final stage of every cycle, when the strongest of the fear types are ruling the world, they create a death cult, with dark temples and other attributes.

The wiki page doesn't mention societies created by the 3 positive types, aka the "golden age" of every civilisation.

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Re:The Shaming-Industrial Complex by KarlKemp on Sunday March 27, 2022 @12:55PM (#30821780)
That's really interesting, thank you. I'd always considered guilt and shame to be correlated, as two sides of the same medal. And believe the person above also conflated the two, since their "shamelessness" is really an inability to experience guilt.

So maybe the problem is that guilt (felt by the person without specific external input) stopped working, and shaming is taking its place?

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Re:The Shaming-Industrial Complex by krageon on Monday March 28, 2022 @10:14AM (#30830692)
Why do you believe a lack of (feelings of) guilt is a problem?
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