Re:Pamplona Bull Runs Reveal Dynamics of Crowds in Danger
by netizen-936824 on Saturday March 26, 2022 @01:33PM
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I think what you say is a reasonable statement. At least in the US, food and eating is considered by some to be a pasttime/hobby rather than something essential for life. Needless death and suffering for the enjoyment of food.
Re:Pamplona Bull Runs Reveal Dynamics of Crowds in Danger
by sweetheart on Saturday March 26, 2022 @01:40PM
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Agreed. Veganism is the moral baseline.
Re:Pamplona Bull Runs Reveal Dynamics of Crowds in Danger
by oh_sigh on Saturday March 26, 2022 @03:01PM
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The irony being that a ton of marketed vegan food is dripping with palm oil, and if the companies produced it using oppressive, slave-like animal labor instead of oppressive, slave-like human labor, vegans would choose not to eat it.
Re:Pamplona Bull Runs Reveal Dynamics of Crowds in Danger
by xvector on Saturday March 26, 2022 @04:04PM
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The suffering involved in the creation of palm oil over the course of years does not come anywhere close to the amount of suffering caused by a single day of factory farming. The latter is many magnitudes greater.
Re:Pamplona Bull Runs Reveal Dynamics of Crowds in Danger
by mauflows on Saturday March 26, 2022 @04:02PM
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Two things can be bad at once and plenty of vegans will also watch out for palm oil.
Re:Pamplona Bull Runs Reveal Dynamics of Crowds in Danger
by oh_sigh on Saturday March 26, 2022 @07:12PM
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I agree - my point is that mere veganism can't be a moral baseline because it completely ignores the suffering of the workers who help produce the food.
Re:Pamplona Bull Runs Reveal Dynamics of Crowds in Danger
by sweetheart on Saturday March 26, 2022 @07:46PM
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It doesn’t. You misunderstand veganism.
Re:Pamplona Bull Runs Reveal Dynamics of Crowds in Danger
by oh_sigh on Sunday March 27, 2022 @02:10AM
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I don't. Otherwise palm oil wouldn't even be an issue in the community.
Re:Pamplona Bull Runs Reveal Dynamics of Crowds in Danger
by samatman on Saturday March 26, 2022 @03:22PM
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Not it is not.
My argument is descriptive while yours is merely insistent.
Re:Pamplona Bull Runs Reveal Dynamics of Crowds in Danger
by sweetheart on Saturday March 26, 2022 @03:37PM
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I disagree, and I think history will remember any belief system (or diet) that permits unnecessary suffering for temporary pleasure as being barbaric and ridiculous.
Re:Pamplona Bull Runs Reveal Dynamics of Crowds in Danger
by samatman on Saturday March 26, 2022 @03:52PM
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More likely to be remembered like the Shakers if it's remembered at all.
History belongs to those with children. The bike riding vegan city living set would surprise me if they have one full child per four adults.
Factory farms are objectively the largest producers of suffering this planet has ever seen [1, 2], and most people consume the meat they produce for pleasure as opposed to necessity.
[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQRAfJyEsko
[2]: https://www.dominionmovement.com/facts