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Re:Daring Fireball: Universe Dented, Grass Underfoot by pseuds_corner on Thursday October 06, 2011 @10:05AM (#3080132)
A walk outside in nature: something I can heartily recommend all the folk stoking up their teenage emotion tsunami while swamping HN with endless Steve tributes.
Re:Daring Fireball: Universe Dented, Grass Underfoot by drzaiusapelord on Thursday October 06, 2011 @10:51AM (#3080287)
Look, you gotta give people 24 hours to get out their tributes. I don't see anything wrong with that. Just accept that the newsday today will be all about Jobs. You'll live longer if you give in to a little tolerance and patience.

I have similar thoughts about 'mourning tourism' and the questionable relationships people have in their heads with public figures, but we humans are irrational creatures. Tolerating our irrationality is a good policy. I'm not saying you should go and implement sharia law or become a creationist, I'm saying you should just give people a chance to vent and leave them alone for 24 hours.

Re:Daring Fireball: Universe Dented, Grass Underfoot by runjake on Thursday October 06, 2011 @11:44AM (#3080489)
You might want to spend the day reading a site that isn't full of people inspired by Steve Jobs, be it his products, his work ethics, or his ideas, then.
Re:Daring Fireball: Universe Dented, Grass Underfoot by danilocampos on Thursday October 06, 2011 @10:38AM (#3080241)
Come back and say it on your real account, chief.
Re:Daring Fireball: Universe Dented, Grass Underfoot by pseuds_corner on Thursday October 06, 2011 @10:40AM (#3080245)
Why? So the hordes of mawkish Steve idolisers can downvote the blasphemer? There are penalties from differing from the hivemind (slowban, hellban etc). Anonymity is the only way to communicate my level of amazement at the current mania.

So forgive me if I don't do that.

Re:Daring Fireball: Universe Dented, Grass Underfoot by danilocampos on Thursday October 06, 2011 @11:02AM (#3080320)
I think your behaving like a dick is probably more the trouble than your amazement.

This guy meant something to a lot of people. It's okay that you're different. But let people have their moment. Go for a walk. People exist for their own purposes, not your pleasure.

Re:Daring Fireball: Universe Dented, Grass Underfoot by fredoliveira on Thursday October 06, 2011 @11:20AM (#3080385)
An anonymous ass will probably be an ass with a real account too. It's a matter of time.
Re:Daring Fireball: Universe Dented, Grass Underfoot by jarek on Thursday October 06, 2011 @10:58AM (#3080305)
Look, I'll say it on my real account. I'm not that guy. I find the outpouring of grief repetitive at best and embarrassing at worst. It's the time of year for everyone to strut out their favourite Steve stories and anecdotes. Gotta tell everyone how you feel.

Tell me you can read a comment like http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3078323 with a straight face.

Re:Daring Fireball: Universe Dented, Grass Underfoot by danilocampos on Thursday October 06, 2011 @11:07AM (#3080336)
Life is a lot more enjoyable when you accept, as I've just mentioned in a cousin, that people exist for their own purposes and not your pleasure. Some people express their feelings in saccharin ways. Okay. And? Does it make those feelings, or those people, less valid that they're more Hallmark than Bob Dylan?

Death is difficult. Cut people a damn break.

Re:Daring Fireball: Universe Dented, Grass Underfoot by jarek on Thursday October 06, 2011 @11:37AM (#3080462)
I'm human. I judge people and form opinions based on their behaviour. I'm not denying them the right to those behaviours. Sometimes I can't resist voicing my opinions. If you don't, I'm really happy for you.

I'm confident 99% of commenters didn't know Steve Jobs personally. If his death is difficult for them, it's a problem they themselves have created.

Re:Daring Fireball: Universe Dented, Grass Underfoot by danilocampos on Thursday October 06, 2011 @12:05PM (#3080574)
> If his death is difficult for them, it's a problem they themselves have created.

That's, uh, a... Penis thing to say.

People form attachments to those they've never met because humanity doesn't require reciprocal contact for personal impact. I knew Jobs only through his work, words and passion. I make my salary, doing a job I absolutely love, because of things he decided had to be built.

I will endlessly be in his debt for the world he helped create and the example he so consistently set. His passing tears at me more than I ever would have guessed.

It is not a problem I created. It's a man who earned my respect and admiration, gone. Forever.

That is something so profoundly difficult for me to process, entire systems of ritual and belief were created thousands of years ago in an attempt to address the helplessness.

Human impermanence is hard.

Re:Daring Fireball: Universe Dented, Grass Underfoot by jarek on Thursday October 06, 2011 @12:18PM (#3080620)
> That's, uh, a... Penis thing to say.

Yes. Doesn't make it any less true.

Re:Daring Fireball: Universe Dented, Grass Underfoot by danilocampos on Thursday October 06, 2011 @12:26PM (#3080650)
It has the virtue of being both dick and untrue, as I dedicated the rest of my comment to explaining.

It's okay. We don't have to agree. I can only say that when human impermanence next strikes closer to your squishy bag of feelings, those around you will show more compassion than you've shown here. Good luck, fellow traveler.

Re:Daring Fireball: Universe Dented, Grass Underfoot by bmelton on Thursday October 06, 2011 @12:25PM (#3080646)
No offense, but it doesn't make particularly MORE true either.

That humans have emotions isn't a solvable problem, or generally, even a problem at all. It's those emotions that allow us to strive for more, that allow us to love those that are close to us, that allow us to form long and lasting relationships, that allow us the compassion for charity and the will to help the world. In some cases, yeah, it causes us to perhaps have fondness, or perceived attachment to someone we haven't met.

Regardless, many view Jobs as an inspirational figure. I personally know of more than one successful entrepreneur who would say that something Steve Jobs did was their motivation for starting a company, or excelling at what they did, or gave them the insight that made their company more successful.

I myself am not an overly sentimental person, but I recognize that "If his death is difficult for them, it's a problem they themselves have created." is a line of completely trite bullshit.

Sympathy isn't a problem, and even if it were, it likely isn't one any of the people could have avoided making, even had they so consciously chosen to try.

Re:Daring Fireball: Universe Dented, Grass Underfoot by muhfuhkuh on Thursday October 06, 2011 @12:01PM (#3080563)
"If his death is difficult for them, it's a problem they themselves have created."

He was a visible figure in people's lives. To attach emotion to someone present in your life, even if they aren't physically there, even if you don't know them in any intimate way, is natural. I recently saw a documentary where elephants walked by the skeletal remains of fallen elephants along their water migration path and touch their trunk to them in what observers deem a tribute. They likely don't even know the deceased. Would you call that a problem?

That's the vexing thing about celebrity: Their seemingly open-book lifestyle (I know, he was a supremely private individual but, hey, Steve could've let anyone else do those keynotes and demos) lets us connect to them in ways that the celebrities cannot even fathom.

Re:Daring Fireball: Universe Dented, Grass Underfoot by protomyth on Thursday October 06, 2011 @01:21PM (#3080862)
Nope, didn't know him personally, but his works gave me great joy and changed my career path. It is in some / most people's nature to care about those we will never meet, and I have more reasons for caring about this soul then some killed in various tragedies. I would imagine some on HN also have similar touchstones or perhaps have lost or almost lost people to cancer. Things like this are close to home for many.
Re:Daring Fireball: Universe Dented, Grass Underfoot by swombat on Thursday October 06, 2011 @11:01AM (#3080312)
So I guess you're also the kind of guy who goes to a funeral and tells the people there to just get over it and move on?
Re:Daring Fireball: Universe Dented, Grass Underfoot by jarek on Thursday October 06, 2011 @11:07AM (#3080334)
I wouldn't say I went to Steve Jobs's funeral, unless you consider showing up on the internet today that.
Re:Daring Fireball: Universe Dented, Grass Underfoot by swombat on Thursday October 06, 2011 @11:35AM (#3080453)
Actually, given his influence, yeah, it kind of is. The fact that you bump into articles about him everywhere (even on my blog! http://swombat.com/2011/10/6/steve-jobs ) kind of demonstrates that.
Re:Daring Fireball: Universe Dented, Grass Underfoot by jarek on Thursday October 06, 2011 @11:39AM (#3080471)
Oh, sorry. I'll go hide in my house while the funeral takes place in my backyard.

edit: by the way, "If you read this far, you should follow me on twitter here" - classy.

Re:Daring Fireball: Universe Dented, Grass Underfoot by swombat on Thursday October 06, 2011 @12:17PM (#3080617)
It's not so far fetched as you seem to think. The Internet is not your backyard, it's ours. It belongs to all of us. So if you go on the web today and visit places where geeks (many of whom are touched by this event) hang out, expect to see people talking about it.

If you don't like it, get out of our backyard - you're welcome back after the funeral.

Re:Daring Fireball: Universe Dented, Grass Underfoot by greyish_water on Thursday October 06, 2011 @11:54AM (#3080539)
"Gotta tell everyone how you feel."
Re:Daring Fireball: Universe Dented, Grass Underfoot by jarek on Thursday October 06, 2011 @04:21PM (#3081480)
Touché.
Re:Daring Fireball: Universe Dented, Grass Underfoot by tonio09 on Saturday October 08, 2011 @02:04PM (#3088506)
I've got a feeling the iPhone 4 Steve is a very clever marketing ploy by Apple. "I'll be buying an iPhone 4 Steve this friday." Emotional manipulation in its subtlest form.
Re:Daring Fireball: Universe Dented, Grass Underfoot by pseuds_corner on Thursday October 06, 2011 @10:28AM (#3080207)
Seriously. Princess Diana level craziness.
Re:Daring Fireball: Universe Dented, Grass Underfoot by spxdcz on Thursday October 06, 2011 @10:41AM (#3080248)
The difference is that Princess Diana made very little difference to most of our lives. Steve Jobs made such a huge impact in all of our (technologists, programmers, consumers) lives. Do you remember what mobile phones used to be like before the iPhone? How OSX kick-started the style of graphic design that is still in-trend, with aqua? How ugly consumer devices generally were? How he made design matter again? How darn productive he made many of us, thanks to amazing tools.

We're sad because today the world of technology seems a little less exciting than it did yesterday. We owe that man a debt. If you don't like reading this stuff, come back in a couple of days.

Re:Daring Fireball: Universe Dented, Grass Underfoot by lwhi on Thursday October 06, 2011 @11:24AM (#3080408)
It's a fair comment. Perspective in terms of what Apple have actually positively contributed on a world scale is maybe slightly lacking. A great man and an impressive legacy .. but I think the world might eventually view the changes he instigated with a more critical eye in the future.
Re:Daring Fireball: Universe Dented, Grass Underfoot by onenine on Thursday October 06, 2011 @02:06PM (#3080995)
Rich people can buy apple products, lots of poor people have been killed and maimed by landmines. It's best not to be so glib about how important a god to consumers was when some people did important charitable things despite being a figure in the tabloids.
Re:Daring Fireball: Universe Dented, Grass Underfoot by spxdcz on Thursday October 06, 2011 @04:07PM (#3081427)
I apologise if this came off as glib, it certainly wasn't meant to be. I spent four weeks in Laos last December and visited the COPE center in Vientiane; the landmine issue is a horrible, real thing that people have to cope with (and get killed by) every day, and I didn't mean to imply that what Diana did wasn't amazing.

BUT, to most (lucky) people reading Hacker News, Steve Jobs has had more of an impact on our day-to-day lives. He was a hero to many of us, and I don't think it's correct for some people to decide who is and isn't a valid hero. It's all about context.

Re:Daring Fireball: Universe Dented, Grass Underfoot by happypeter on Thursday October 06, 2011 @10:00PM (#3082353)
It is just too obvious that saving lives are more important than making a product prettier. However, I think the best way to less evil for this world is not always that sending your money to Africa, but rather that everybody should work hard for truth_good_beauty.

Apple makes beautiful product and provide nice educational resources to this world, Steve worked hard for this with all his life. So he is far more than "a god to consumers" to me.

Re:Daring Fireball: Universe Dented, Grass Underfoot by hugh3 on Thursday October 06, 2011 @11:44AM (#3080488)
Not really. Look, Steve Jobs was an extremely important dude in the field of computers. If you go round reading a news site for and by people who work in the field of computers on the day he dies then yes, you're going to find a lot of tributes to the man. If you don't like it, go read something else for a while.

Some people are going too far, like whoever left the two bunches of flowers I noticed outside the door of my local Apple store last night. But hey, maybe they knew him personally. Death is hard, and I've got better things to do than look down my nose at other people for their reactions to it.

Re:Daring Fireball: Universe Dented, Grass Underfoot by snoozer on Saturday October 08, 2011 @07:52AM (#3087722)
> Death is hard, and I've got better things to do than look down my nose at other people for their reactions to it.

Well said.

Re:Daring Fireball: Universe Dented, Grass Underfoot by tonio09 on Saturday October 08, 2011 @02:01PM (#3088492)
exactly my thoughts. ima outta here.