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Re:The Great Steepening by paulpauper on Wednesday March 23, 2022 @11:20AM (#30779374)
>I expect it to hit 3% within a month or two, along with 5-6% mortgage rates.

never gonna happen. I would say there are greater odds of the stock market making new lows this year than that happening

>Buying a house now has more risk than anytime since the mid 2000s. Though many would surely dispute. Don't need to get into all the stats, but the interpretation of the stats being used to drive the FOMO narrative is a result of stats crime and misunderstanding

People say this all the time yet real estate keeps doing well.

> The Fed has erred on the side of bailing out speculators far too heavily... creates big moral hazard

Still I'd rather not be fighting the fed. Stocks and real estate prices will likely go much higher.

Re:The Great Steepening by adam_arthur on Wednesday March 23, 2022 @11:36AM (#30779552)
Mortgage rates are already over 5% for many, and the avg is around 4.8%. This is today, not in the future, if you haven't been paying attention.

And the 10y is far below where it will likely settle. So 5-5.5% mortgage is pretty much a given within the next few months barring a sudden collapse in inflation

Buying a house is fighting the fed now. They are trying to quell inflation and will very likely start selling MBS into the market next month to push mortgages rates even higher.

Don't fight the fed works both ways. And don't even look at the inflation adjusted home price chart... Hint, they are far above the 2000s peak

Re:The Great Steepening by jjoonathan on Wednesday March 23, 2022 @01:37PM (#30781099)
> Buying a house is fighting the fed now.

Doesn't a tightening environment drive down prices (favoring the buyer today) and open the prospect of refinancing next time the fed chickens out (favoring the buyer tomorrow)?

"Oh, high prices, I have just the cure: debt!" is usually a sales gimmick, not something that favors the buyer. What am I missing?

Re:The Great Steepening by adam_arthur on Wednesday March 23, 2022 @01:45PM (#30781179)
The best time to buy is after transitioning from tightening to easing generally.

It's true that price will move inversely to rate (all else equal), but price effect lags the rate change.

If rates stay at 5% or above we can expect prices to likely start to slowly decline in many areas.

It took 5 years for prices to bottom in the 2000s. Housing is a slow moving market

Re:The Great Steepening by jjoonathan on Wednesday March 23, 2022 @01:50PM (#30781241)
Ah, got it, that makes sense. Thanks.