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Re:DEV-0537 targeting organizations for data exfiltration an... by cookiengineer on Wednesday March 23, 2022 @12:53AM (#30775090)
I've been inspecting their dumps since the iPhone X leaks.

As it turns out, they got access to huawei, apple, nvidia, samsung, microsoft bing/maps/notes and probably (unconfirmed) vodafone, lge, impresa, mercadolibre and others.

They actively infiltrate organizations with Windows monoculture that never updates, most exploits they seem to have used were running on _really_ outdated systems that are targeting enterprise monoculture as well, like atlassian software, and pretty much everything with an ADS integration.

As I commented previously, it's likely that the SOCs (Security Operations Center) are part of this, too, because _if the certification_ of the targeted organizations isn't utter BS, then they must have caught an incident like this.

A server transferring more than 200GB to a single IP? C'mon, firewalls of the 90s detected that.

They also shamed okta in response to their blog post a lot for having wrong security in place, aka publicly accessible slack channels that have more than ~9k members, where even AWS secrets are posted regularly.

I mean, attack scenarios like this are bound to happen when management decides it's cheaper to hire an external SOC with VPN access for everything. As long as management thinks there has to be a ROI of investment into the blueteam/cyber defense part, nothing will change.

Better laws have to be written to enforce the incentive, because clearly, even Microsoft was too late to catch them in the act.

This is what you get for being "cloud native" and there's no way to prevent it. Infrastructure out of your control has to be treated as such, everyone in cybersec was talking about the dangers of using AWS and hire SOCs and external support teams from India for decades already, and nobody listened.

Re:DEV-0537 targeting organizations for data exfiltration an... by dhruvrrp on Wednesday March 23, 2022 @01:07AM (#30775168)
None of the issues here are related to being cloud native. If you are completely on-prem, but your employees are remote the same social engineering attacks would work on your organization.

The issue is with companies having absolutely garbage security practices.

Re:DEV-0537 targeting organizations for data exfiltration an... by cookiengineer on Wednesday March 23, 2022 @01:15AM (#30775207)
While I agree with the sentiment there, lapsus didn't get initial access via social engineering.

They used social engineering to stay ahead of detection.

My point is about that you have no way to isolate a cloud based build bot. No way to detect a threat, because AWS doesn't offer any APIs or pcap streams or anything. It's literally a black box from the perspective of an SOC.

And that is the security responsibility nobody wants to be part of. Neither AWS and neither the organization that rents the machine.

Re:DEV-0537 targeting organizations for data exfiltration an... by bijoo on Wednesday March 23, 2022 @07:22AM (#30777299)
> My point is about that you have no way to isolate a cloud based build bot. No way to detect a threat, because AWS doesn't offer any APIs or pcap streams or anything. It's literally a black box from the perspective of an SOC.

It turns out there is a Gateway Load Balancer that "can be used for security inspection, compliance, policy controls, and other networking services."

Source: https://docs.aws.amazon.com/vpc/latest/privatelink/vpc-endpo...

Re:DEV-0537 targeting organizations for data exfiltration an... by sofixa on Wednesday March 23, 2022 @03:48AM (#30776060)
There are VPC flow logs for all things in a VPC.
Re:DEV-0537 targeting organizations for data exfiltration an... by milkshakes on Wednesday March 23, 2022 @07:24AM (#30777310)
this is dangerously incorrect
Re:DEV-0537 targeting organizations for data exfiltration an... by choeger on Wednesday March 23, 2022 @02:21AM (#30775554)
Yeah, no. In the ideal on premise setup you can shutdown remote access on the network level. You're not an admin? You cannot reach admin tools from your VPN. You can also always offer a personal two factor authentication for exemptions, introduce four-eyes policies, etc.

Of course, this is complicated and a big part of the reason cloud is so successful is that the engineers capable of doing complicated stuff are hired by the cloud providers. My pet theory is that FAANG pay so high salaries to prevent competition and home-grown solutions as much as possible by attracting the top x% of the talent pool.

Re:DEV-0537 targeting organizations for data exfiltration an... by markus_zhang on Wednesday March 23, 2022 @08:07AM (#30777593)
How do you learn such things, just curious. It seems to be combination of sys admin, security and something else.
Re:DEV-0537 targeting organizations for data exfiltration an... by choeger on Wednesday March 23, 2022 @03:12PM (#30782121)
I think by starting small. Setup a raspberry pi for home automation, etc. Maybe connect a NAS or so. Add your own dedicated server with domain name, etc. My hypothesis is that you learn much more effective by learning the basics because 99% of the shiny fancy cloud-scale tools deal with inconveniences that occur when you do basic stuff in a larger setting.
Re:DEV-0537 targeting organizations for data exfiltration an... by oh_sigh on Wednesday March 23, 2022 @01:24AM (#30775252)
I thought it was interesting that neither Facebook nor Google were listed
Re:DEV-0537 targeting organizations for data exfiltration an... by JamesonNetworks on Wednesday March 23, 2022 @07:21AM (#30777288)
"A server transferring more than 200GB to a single IP? C'mon, firewalls of the 90s detected that."

Do you have examples of firewalls that support this and setup guides? I'm using pfSense but haven't come across anything that would flag traffic in this manner. There is snort I guess? Just curious. Always looking to improve my own protection :)

Re:DEV-0537 targeting organizations for data exfiltration an... by adrian_b on Wednesday March 23, 2022 @09:55AM (#30778477)
I am using the FreeBSD firewall, which is simpler than pfSense, so I am pretty certain that this must be possible in most, if not all, firewalls.

For any rule of the firewall, which may match any kind of traffic, you may set the rule to update a counter. The values of the counters will accumulate the total quantity of data transferred until the counters are reset (periodically), and you may choose to store the values in a log for later inspection or you can use a shell script to interrogate the firewall periodically and compare the counter values with thresholds and send alerts when they are exceeded.

As long as the firewall rules include the option for a "count" or similar action, which I believe to be available in all of them, then you can use the firewall to monitor the amount of data that passes through the network.

Even when a firewall does not provide the length of the packets, just counting the number of packets is enough to estimate the maximum amount of data that might have been transferred, because you know the maximum packet sizes on your interfaces.

Re:DEV-0537 targeting organizations for data exfiltration an... by GartzenDeHaes on Wednesday March 23, 2022 @11:19AM (#30779365)
As I recall, this is on the default Palo Alto dashboard. https://www.paloaltonetworks.com/

Note, this is a $6 figure firewall, so it doesn't compare to something like pfSense.

Re:DEV-0537 targeting organizations for data exfiltration an... by aahortwwy on Wednesday March 23, 2022 @03:14AM (#30775861)
> As long as management thinks there has to be a ROI of investment into the blueteam/cyber defense part, nothing will change.

Security shouldn't be exempt from ROI concerns, that's bizarre.

Governments should regulate more, to make good security have a positive ROI.

Or introduce criminal liability, I suppose.

Re:DEV-0537 targeting organizations for data exfiltration an... by shp0ngle on Wednesday March 23, 2022 @12:59AM (#30775121)
What does SOC stands for here? (Clearly not system on chip)
Re:DEV-0537 targeting organizations for data exfiltration an... by cookiengineer on Wednesday March 23, 2022 @01:01AM (#30775129)
Oh, sorry. Security Operations Center.

They're basically the ones watching alert dashboards like suricata all day, investigating issues and trying to isolate systems that have been compromised.

So they're the operational part of an IT security department. Sometimes they're also called CSIRT.

Re:DEV-0537 targeting organizations for data exfiltration an... by Datagenerator on Wednesday March 23, 2022 @01:51AM (#30775399)
Frequently combined as SOC / SIEM, the acronym for Security Information and Event Management.

Dataflow analysis can be provided by for example Cisco Smart Network Application (SNA). A system that displays an overview of the network topology including detailed monitoring information for devices and traffic.

Re:DEV-0537 targeting organizations for data exfiltration an... by kingcharles on Wednesday March 23, 2022 @12:57AM (#30775110)
200GB is nothing these days though. I'm on a cell connection and I move that a day.
Re:DEV-0537 targeting organizations for data exfiltration an... by cookiengineer on Wednesday March 23, 2022 @12:59AM (#30775122)
If a single IP produces that much traffic to a build system, and is an external resident IP...it's 100% either a DDoS attempt or a malicious actor that is in the process of exfiltrating data.

There's not a single scenario where a traffic this size to an internal buildbot machine to/from a single unknown resident IP is legit.

Re:DEV-0537 targeting organizations for data exfiltration an... by sennight on Wednesday March 23, 2022 @01:27AM (#30775262)
You download 18.51 megabits per second over a cellular connection for 24 hours straight? Do you really? Because somebody, either you or your service provider, is doing it wrong.
Re:DEV-0537 targeting organizations for data exfiltration an... by sjmm1989 on Wednesday March 23, 2022 @02:11AM (#30775506)
There are ways...

I've taken multiple cellphone connections and sorta merged their connections using a hacky workaround in windows to force it to happen even without a proper setting for it. (Note: Not a bridge. Merged. Sorta.)

Just setup each phone as a shared access point through multiple usb ports and let er rip. After doing what I was mentioning though that is.

It's rather simple too, but I don't know how best to explain how it works. BUT I can tell you what I did.

I disable and re-enable each connection one after the other back and forth multiple times until they all are send and receiving data at the same time. This seems to work best when there is already an active connection going. I would use this for Steam downloads a lot.

And yes, all my files I send and receive this way would come and go proper and working. I was doing this back when cell speeds were more like 3mbit/second out in the rural areas. That kind of thing. So getting 10mbit out in the boonies was like living in the city all of a sudden.

Re:DEV-0537 targeting organizations for data exfiltration an... by senectus1 on Wednesday March 23, 2022 @02:16AM (#30775530)
nah, i know people that abuse the crap out of 4G/5G from their home cell network all the time.

they would use a terrestrial connection but the National Broadband Network in Australia is arguably incomplete (putting aside the parts that are supposed to be complete are often very crap). One of my workmates lives 25 mins drive from the WA capital city CBD and has just recently bought Starlink because he couldn't get fast enough or reliable enough internet speeds at home for WFH purposes (Ms Teams is bad but not THAT BAD)

Re:DEV-0537 targeting organizations for data exfiltration an... by sjmm1989 on Wednesday March 23, 2022 @02:25AM (#30775573)
For a moment there I thought you and sennight were the same user. Heh.

Yeah, Canada is pretty bad too when it comes to having the last mile rolled out to every last town and village. We have tower based internet for those usually. If you are really out in the boonies, you might have something based on Xplornet's tech. Having starlink is only a new thing recently; and that's apparently touch and go for people as well.

Ironically, if you don't play video games at all, Cellular is the best kind of connection you can get out there in some places. Otherwise, get a dish and point it at the nearest tower. It's still basically a giant wifi connection at that point, so the latency will not be the best; but it's far better than Xplornet or cellular ever will be on that front. The only thing better than tower, is a proper line going to the house.

One of my old homes was supposed to have said line installed to that town as part of a province wide thing going on at the time. Sasktel was supposed to get EVERYONE connected with cable and internet...

That never happened. They stuck to the cities and bigger towns close to the backbone, and that was it. They then sold access to companies putting up towers and said "that's a wrap".

That said... they had to contend with the rail lines to get past them on multiple occasions, and that gets expensive.

Re:DEV-0537 targeting organizations for data exfiltration an... by sennight on Wednesday March 23, 2022 @02:41AM (#30775668)
Dunno enough about the situation in Australia to even pretend, but I imagine it could work if there is a coverage mandate plus taxpayer funding going to the carriers. In such a scenario it would be basically impossible to not massively overprovision bandwidth in rural areas, and the carriers would have zero incentive to cap data rates (beyond upselling - but there is a limit). Everywhere else though... telecoms are notorious for under provisioning to the point where major news events can result in the network failing under the load of too many people simultaneously wanting to make a call. Wireless took that to the next level. And it isn't simply a hardware issue, if they lease more backhaul capacity than they need - they burn money. So they're highly incentivized to screw with the top 20% of their heavy subscribers everywhere but the middle of nowhere.
Re:DEV-0537 targeting organizations for data exfiltration an... by dbetteridge on Wednesday March 23, 2022 @03:40AM (#30776024)
So aus has the NBN which in theory covers everyone through a combination of FTTP, FTTN and high speed, high latency satellite.

Unfortunately the NBN organisation itself is a massive boondoggle (see also Australian politics for the last 10+ years) and their idea of 'coverage' often could be beaten handily by a pigeon and some string.

So people pay through the nose for alternatives like Telstra mobile broadband or starlink and given the current neoliberal firesale gov I'd say that's an intentional outcome...

Re:DEV-0537 targeting organizations for data exfiltration an... by dbetteridge on Wednesday March 23, 2022 @03:43AM (#30776039)
Did they look at some of the direct wireless options? several of those in WA that put their dishes up on existing masts and just bounce around a high speed signal.

https://pentanet.com.au/

https://nodeone.com.au/

https://unitiwireless.com/internet/fixed-wireless-residentia...

To name a few

Re:DEV-0537 targeting organizations for data exfiltration an... by senectus1 on Wednesday March 23, 2022 @07:46AM (#30777465)
yeah, buried in the hills, no direct access to anything but trees. (and sky)
Re:DEV-0537 targeting organizations for data exfiltration an... by mickotron on Thursday March 24, 2022 @05:21PM (#30795483)
I live south of Brisbane and I have Starlink and 4G as primary connections. 80-180mbps on 4G with mounted antenna, and 100-350mbps on Starlink.

NBN is a backup. I get maybe 18mbps from that connection on a good day.

Re:DEV-0537 targeting organizations for data exfiltration an... by kingcharles on Friday March 25, 2022 @07:49PM (#30808061)
I get a pretty solid 300Mbps on my cell connection here in downtown Chicago.
Re:DEV-0537 targeting organizations for data exfiltration an... by agnokapathetic on Wednesday March 23, 2022 @12:58AM (#30775117)
I missed the Apple LAPSUS$ leak, do you have a link?
Re:DEV-0537 targeting organizations for data exfiltration an... by cookiengineer on Wednesday March 23, 2022 @01:03AM (#30775143)
Does this work? :D

https://t.me/minsaudebr/54?single

In the channel they posted lots of specs and design documents from the iPhone X. So technically it could also have been a vendor in the supply chain (as of now).

They announced a leak at the time, but deleted the torrent files in their posts/comments a couple times and I was too late to verify.

(I'm in European time zone, they are in Brazil).