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Re:Web3 is centralized and inefficient by cardy31 on Wednesday March 23, 2022 @12:28AM (#30774953)
Turns out most people wanting to do international transfers without a middleman are criminals. Regular people are for the most part fine with international transfers going through banks, likely via SWIFT.
Re:Web3 is centralized and inefficient by everfree on Wednesday March 23, 2022 @12:56AM (#30775107)
I don't know if you've actually tried to send an international wire transfer, but it requires more paperwork/effort, is more expensive, and is less reliable than signing a crypto transaction.

Many smaller banks require you to physically drive to the branch and wait in line to send one. They usually cost upwards of $40 and that's before currency conversion, which is done at a rate that may or may not be favorable.

Making a blockchain payment has pros and cons, but it has enough pros that the "only useful for criminals" argument is tired.

Re:Web3 is centralized and inefficient by hiq on Wednesday March 23, 2022 @04:09AM (#30776166)
> I don't know if you've actually tried to send an international wire transfer, but it requires more paperwork/effort, is more expensive, and is less reliable than signing a crypto transaction.

Don't platforms such as https://wise.com/ solve international wire transfer problems? I have experience with only a few currencies, but as long as you can do transfers in your home currency online you should be able to do the rest via Wise online as well.

In terms of costs, you'd have to go into details to really compare (e.g. some platforms claiming "no fees" are just subsidizing them unsustainably), but if you're converting from and to fiat currencies via something other than a stablecoin you might already lose more because of volatility.

I haven't experienced or heard of reliability problems with bank transfers, is that a thing?

Re:Web3 is centralized and inefficient by valcron1000 on Wednesday March 23, 2022 @02:26PM (#30781649)
The problem here is that I'm tied to "Wise", and they can single handedly change how the service works. They decide to which accounts I can send money, not me. They decide what data I must share, not me. They decide the fees, not me. It's just another middle man, like Payoneer, Paysera, Paypal, Revoult, Bankera, Western Union, etc. (yes, I tried them all).
Re:Web3 is centralized and inefficient by tuvistavie on Wednesday March 23, 2022 @06:18AM (#30776898)
Depending on the country, it can truly be. Some of my relatives have money stuck in Lebanon and there is currently not really any way of getting the money out of the country.
Re:Web3 is centralized and inefficient by umanwizard on Wednesday March 23, 2022 @08:14AM (#30777635)
Your parent never mentioned wires. I send 43 euros from the US to Germany every month with Wise and it costs about a dollar.
Re:Web3 is centralized and inefficient by GeorgeWBasic on Wednesday March 23, 2022 @12:35AM (#30774999)
Turns out that's no longer the case since banks started to adopt cancel culture too, as seen in Canada. Overbearing governments have created legitimate use cases for crypto money transfers.
Re:Web3 is centralized and inefficient by valcron1000 on Wednesday March 23, 2022 @02:22PM (#30781605)
I dare you to send me a SWIFT transfer. Not only is very expensive, but most likely I will get my account frozen because international transfers are pretty much not allowed.

It's always the same: entitled people from first world countries where the banking system actually works.

Re:Web3 is centralized and inefficient by auggierose on Wednesday March 23, 2022 @12:53AM (#30775091)
Except if you live in Russia, of course. Or are you saying every Russian is a criminal?
Re:Web3 is centralized and inefficient by gorgoiler on Wednesday March 23, 2022 @02:23AM (#30775564)
If your jurisdiction has imposed sanctions on Russia but you then help a Russian national bypass sanctions then you are the criminal.
Re:Web3 is centralized and inefficient by auggierose on Wednesday March 23, 2022 @03:20AM (#30775897)
If you are a Russian, and you want to bypass sanctions imposed on you by others, are you then a criminal, too?
Re:Web3 is centralized and inefficient by everfree on Wednesday March 23, 2022 @03:23PM (#30782241)
If it's illegal for me to send $200 back home to help my family pay for food to be able to eat, call me a criminal I guess.