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Re:Nintendo Switch prevents downgrades by irreparably blowin... by bdcravens on Tuesday March 22, 2022 @11:02PM (#30774386)
I agree with the idea of full ownership, but I also know it wasn't all that long ago that the user stuck on an old version of IE was the bane of most developers, and that many security vulnerabilities come from software that was patched years ago.
Re:Nintendo Switch prevents downgrades by irreparably blowin... by helpfulclippy on Tuesday March 22, 2022 @11:19PM (#30774502)
Users weren't running IE6 for years and years because they upgraded to something newer, and decided to go back. The solution to this problem didn't come from making upgrades a purely one-way process.

Device makers have become quite opinionated about how their things are used, and they are in a position to enforce their opinions. I don't know what exactly the right balance is, because there are genuine interests to be balanced... but when a piece of hardware is designed explicitly to allow the manufacturer to remove the device's ability to run the exact same software that it used to, we should meet any claim that this is primarily for the user's advantage with great skepticism. We should also take seriously the possibility that tilting the balance of power in this way creates issues at least as bad as the ones we are hoping to resolve.

It's like a city so fearful of petty criminals, it allows the police the ability to do as they please. And the police are directly hired by the rich people in town.

Re:Nintendo Switch prevents downgrades by irreparably blowin... by Aeolun on Tuesday March 22, 2022 @11:27PM (#30774568)
> Device makers have become quite opinionated about how their things are used

I think it’s more that they realized it makes them more money, and nobody is there to stop them.

Re:Nintendo Switch prevents downgrades by irreparably blowin... by pithon on Tuesday March 22, 2022 @11:34PM (#30774624)
OK then ban them from connecting to your active web services. But don't prevent their PC from booting.
Re:Nintendo Switch prevents downgrades by irreparably blowin... by depingus on Tuesday March 22, 2022 @11:19PM (#30774501)
That's funny. At this very moment I have a Windows VM open just so I can use Internet Explorer + Java8u65 to access the ILO on an HP server.
Re:Nintendo Switch prevents downgrades by irreparably blowin... by Brian_K_White on Wednesday March 23, 2022 @01:28AM (#30775273)
I'll see your HP ILO and raise you an AMI MegaRAK.

(ie6, activex)

Re:Nintendo Switch prevents downgrades by irreparably blowin... by todd3834 on Tuesday March 22, 2022 @11:32PM (#30774599)
Not too long ago I was still supporting old versions of IE because employees for large chain we built software for would not allow them to upgrade their computers
Re:Nintendo Switch prevents downgrades by irreparably blowin... by wildzzz on Wednesday March 23, 2022 @12:10AM (#30774854)
Probably because they had some other expensive software that only worked with old IE versions. The cost of fixing the other software was probably more than what it cost to pay you to support yours.
Re:Nintendo Switch prevents downgrades by irreparably blowin... by admax88qqq on Wednesday March 23, 2022 @12:27AM (#30774951)
Maybe. It's also likely that they just don't allow any changes. Manual updates require action, automatic updates require no action. People default to no action and it requires a fair amount of effort to get someone to take action.
Re:Nintendo Switch prevents downgrades by irreparably blowin... by 28uwedj on Tuesday March 22, 2022 @11:54PM (#30774755)
sounds like the government.