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Re:'Perfect Blue' and 'Requiem for a Dream' by 30761722 on Tuesday March 22, 2022 @12:33AM (#30762758)
It sucks that Kon felt slighted, but there really is no such thing as 'too much homage'. Scorsese's The Departed is a shot-for-shot remake of Infernal Affairs and also his first Oscar. It's how art gets mades.
Re:'Perfect Blue' and 'Requiem for a Dream' by fenomas on Tuesday March 22, 2022 @12:47AM (#30762815)
The Departed was a licensed remake. Its producers bought and paid for the rights to remake the original.
Re:'Perfect Blue' and 'Requiem for a Dream' by ZeroGravitas on Tuesday March 22, 2022 @05:14AM (#30764106)
Who did they buy the rights from, and who made the original worth copying?

In music you often get people sampling a song due to percussion or production and the lyricist or just some random dude getting paid.

Re:'Perfect Blue' and 'Requiem for a Dream' by jbigelow76 on Tuesday March 22, 2022 @02:08AM (#30763174)
...and also his first Oscar.

I've read a couple things over the years that the win for The Departed is a sort of make-up from the Academy for Scorsese losing Best Director for Raging Bull in '81 to Robert Redford (for "Ordinary People", who remembers that?) and for Goodfellas in '91 to Kevin Costner (for "Dances with Wolves", who WANTS to remember that?)

Re:'Perfect Blue' and 'Requiem for a Dream' by BeetleB on Tuesday March 22, 2022 @02:38AM (#30763292)
Having seen both, Ordinary People is definitely the better movie.

Goodfellas vs Dances With Wolves: A tie. Sorry, there really are people who really liked Dances With Wolves. I myself saw it again after over 20 years recently, and it's still great in my older age. Most of the criticism I've seen of it is flawed. From an artistic standpoint, it beats Goodfellas hands down - but Goodfellas is much more entertaining.

Re:'Perfect Blue' and 'Requiem for a Dream' by kthejoker2 on Tuesday March 22, 2022 @07:41AM (#30764865)
It's funny, I think your Ordinary People vs Raging Bull comment excellently underscores the original article.

Raging Bull is a cinematic masterpiece. As "art as art" it is sublime. It is a love letter to film.

Ordinary People is an emotional masterpiece. As "art as therapy" it is sublime. It is a love letter to humanity.

When people "steal" from Raging Bull it's fairly obvious and usually surface level.

Plenty of people stole from Ordinary People, too, it's just harder to spot because what they stole is more psychological and subtextual.

Just as a simple example, the most iconic televison show of the last 30 years (The Simpsons) cribbed way more from Ordinary People than Raging Bull.

If you look, it's easy to spot the influence throughout the series' run. But there's no single iconic shot like their Raging Bull slo-mo homage in "The Homer They Fall."

What does it even mean, to remember, to steal, art...?

Re:'Perfect Blue' and 'Requiem for a Dream' by pmoriarty on Tuesday March 22, 2022 @03:50AM (#30763604)
I loved Ordinary People.. and hated Raging Bull, which is so overrated.
Re:'Perfect Blue' and 'Requiem for a Dream' by rurban on Tuesday March 22, 2022 @01:15AM (#30762948)
A shot for shot for remake yes, but much longer. Scorsese clearly has no idea how to do better editing. And I wouldn't call The Departed art, rather a showcase how much worse Hollywood cinema is, compared to original art.
Re:'Perfect Blue' and 'Requiem for a Dream' by brenainn on Tuesday March 22, 2022 @01:39AM (#30763040)
I'd also argue Infernal Affairs has a far superior ending.
Re:'Perfect Blue' and 'Requiem for a Dream' by rurban on Tuesday March 22, 2022 @10:10AM (#30766286)
I had a lot to critizise on Scorcese then. In German-only unfortunately: https://letterboxd.com/rurban/film/the-departed/
Re:'Perfect Blue' and 'Requiem for a Dream' by whywhywhywhy on Tuesday March 22, 2022 @09:11AM (#30765623)
> The Departed is a shot-for-shot remake of Infernal Affairs and also his first Oscar. It's how art gets mades.

What is Infernal Affairs a shot-for-shot remake of?