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Re:Two-minute battery changes push India’s delivery riders t... by 14 on Monday March 21, 2022 @05:35PM (#30760010)
I wonder how long before someone comes up with a fake battery pack that looks identical and registers as having a higher battery power then it actually does and has fewer cells internally so they can take the real higher power more cells genuine battery and leave behind a fake on that barely works. Like fake memory cards you can get from wish.com that state they have much higher memory then what they actually have.
Re:Two-minute battery changes push India’s delivery riders t... by silvestrov on Monday March 21, 2022 @05:46PM (#30760112)
Each battery can have a serial number and an embedded ARM chip and the charger be connected to the internet.

So the central server will reject the battery if it can't authenticate with the proper RSA private key, or that key is already online somewhere else.

Just like creditcards with chips are validated each time.

Re:Two-minute battery changes push India’s delivery riders t... by bduerst on Monday March 21, 2022 @06:16PM (#30760420)
You don't even need to go that far with the on-board hardware. Just track battery exchange history with charging pattern data, and identify offenders.

Bad actors can spoof the battery charge reader, but it's much harder to spoof the juice out of the charger.

Re:Two-minute battery changes push India’s delivery riders t... by ffhhj on Monday March 21, 2022 @06:51PM (#30760786)
Battery tracking leads to ads. Ads lead to the dark patterns of the force.
Re:Two-minute battery changes push India’s delivery riders t... by phh on Monday March 21, 2022 @06:28PM (#30760568)
I uh, don't see the point?

You have the charging electronics which will tell you very quickly when a battery is dead, and you know which subscriber gave you the faulty battery. Sure faulty batteries can happen naturally (and accidentally), two faulty batteries though should be statistically enough to trigger an investigation from the company.

Re:Two-minute battery changes push India’s delivery riders t... by munk-a on Monday March 21, 2022 @06:58PM (#30760841)
I think the idea is that the battery reports voltage like a mostly charged normal battery for just long enough for you to leave the scene with a good battery.

Ideally this would be coupled with lax device receipt keeping so while the company could tell that one of these thousand customers that used the kiosk that day returned the faulty battery it'd be hard to pinpoint a specific wrong doer.

That said, it feels like the margins on this would be low enough to make it not worth the effort.

Re:Two-minute battery changes push India’s delivery riders t... by wildzzz on Monday March 21, 2022 @10:15PM (#30762084)
You could take a legitimate battery and swap good cells for cheaper or old cells. The actual cells usually don't have any smarts to them and would still show as having a full charge but the range would be limited. It could take at least one depletion cycle for the processor inside to realize the cells are of poor health and may just look normal to untrained eyes. Proper security would include soldering batteries in, welding the plastic seams shut, or adding tamper indicators in the battery like a switch on the lid. The system could just refuse to charge any tampered batteries or the attendant could refuse to swap any batteries that have obvious damage.
Re:Two-minute battery changes push India’s delivery riders t... by connicpu on Tuesday March 22, 2022 @01:33AM (#30763012)
A lot of battery controllers are intentionally designed to make the batteries unusable if the cells are removed for even a moment. Sometimes the controller uses a volatile ROM that wipes itself when it loses voltage, other times there's software actively looking for it and stopping the controller from working when detected. It's very consumer unfriendly in general for batteries that the consumer supposedly owns, but for batteries that are more loaned property like this it's a reasonable anti-tamper system.
Re:Two-minute battery changes push India’s delivery riders t... by asdfasgasdgasdg on Monday March 21, 2022 @05:38PM (#30760053)
You're not going to get much repeat business if you hand out crappy batteries. It seems like incentives are decently well-aligned here.

I guess you might be able to scam the rechargers themselves if you want to "return" a knock off. But if I were them I would put tamper resistant asset tags on my batteries and ensure that whatever battery im taking back is the same as the one I handed out.

Re:Two-minute battery changes push India’s delivery riders t... by Gigachad on Monday March 21, 2022 @05:39PM (#30760057)
It’s the same as any kind of theft really. You probably get away with it to start but eventually the loss becomes great enough that the company pays attention and starts tracking it down. And if you have been doing this on a large scale you could be looking at serious criminal theft.
Re:Two-minute battery changes push India’s delivery riders t... by stingrae on Monday March 21, 2022 @05:45PM (#30760105)
This is relatively straight forward to prevent with signed certificates stored on a secure coprocessor.
Re:Two-minute battery changes push India’s delivery riders t... by markdown on Monday March 21, 2022 @05:40PM (#30760058)
About as long as it would take for Gogoro to put a camera on their battery kiosks.
Re:Two-minute battery changes push India’s delivery riders t... by imhoguy on Monday March 21, 2022 @06:32PM (#30760614)
And get life ban for the subscription. I think these batteries are properly sealed and their ROI is pretty quick. Much more benefit is from that rapid electricity transfer/exchange.
Re:Two-minute battery changes push India’s delivery riders t... by neurostimulant on Monday March 21, 2022 @05:48PM (#30760138)
Thankfully someone with such skill will be very unlikely to commit petty theft like this when there are more profitable endeavors to pursue with their skill.
Re:Two-minute battery changes push India’s delivery riders t... by cyberbanjo on Monday March 21, 2022 @05:50PM (#30760162)
No way! Just because you're skillful doesn't mean you're property utilized, or even (easily) utilizable, due to other issues. I met plenty handy unemployed without steady housing.