I think US college education is nearer to collapsing than it appears

Re:I think US college education is nearer to collapsing than... by bachmeier on Sunday March 20, 2022 @10:13PM (#30749277)

Important to note that you have a STEM perspective. Nothing's changed in that respect, since that's always been the case in grant fields.

However...that's not at all a good representation of the rest of the university. Maybe the very best research universities don't care about teaching. There aren't many though if you're not in a grant field.

> That thing the actual customers are paying us for

If you're in a grant field, the grant agency is the customer, not the students. Teaching is something you do on the side. And not very much compared to non-grant fields.

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Re:I think US college education is nearer to collapsing than... by Fomite on Monday March 21, 2022 @07:18AM (#30752671)

At my institution, arguably my customers are the People of $State, followed by my grant funders.

Indeed, "The student is the customer" is the source of a lot of really pretty flawed reasoning about how universities can and should work, including things like "Am I obligated to pass you because you really, really want to go to med school?"

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