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Re:I think US college education is nearer to collapsing than... by BlargMcLarg on Sunday March 20, 2022 @08:38PM (#30748563)
It's not (just) college. Even if you do make it past college, hitting what older generations would consider typical markers of adulthood (having your own place, a good job, a stable relationship, a family, etc.) are all delayed and/or more difficult to achieve.

Meanwhile many jobs are trying to sell themselves not through a TC that would let one hit these markers, but through football tables, pizza parties, drinks and other social outings. Not to hate on fun activities, but it sure does feel like trying to keep young adults in a perpetual student lifestyle when you keep the booze but not give them the wage to advance in life.

There are plenty of young adults who want to grow up, meeting a ridiculous amount of resistance.

Re:I think US college education is nearer to collapsing than... by WalterBright on Sunday March 20, 2022 @08:44PM (#30748625)
When I was a teen, teenagers had after school jobs. McDonald's, stores, etc., were populated with teen workers at minimum wage.

Today those jobs are held by adults, expecting to be able to raise a family on it. Teenagers rarely have jobs, their first job waits until after they graduate from college.

Re:I think US college education is nearer to collapsing than... by BlargMcLarg on Sunday March 20, 2022 @08:56PM (#30748737)
Cherry on top: once they graduate, they are met with "entry-level jobs" asking for years of experience, giant requirements lists and an overall predatory environment, only to be reinforced that failure is a personal fault and not one of the system.
Re:I think US college education is nearer to collapsing than... by dijonman2 on Sunday March 20, 2022 @09:15PM (#30748886)
Personal responsibility is a good thing. People need to fail, this is one of the few ways to see critical feedback that fosters growth.
Re:I think US college education is nearer to collapsing than... by BlargMcLarg on Sunday March 20, 2022 @09:40PM (#30749064)
Ironic considering this is the market where feedback has been gradually taken away to the point of being so vague it is effectively useless, if there is any. Because ghosting and poor one-liners are more cost-effective.

Let's not cover up bad systems because a few individuals rise to the artificial challenge and bite through.

Re:I think US college education is nearer to collapsing than... by sarchertech on Sunday March 20, 2022 @10:56PM (#30749640)
Based on my experience, the primary reason high school kids had jobs was to buy a car.

For various reasons (safety regulation, emissions requirements, minimum wage not keeping up with inflation, insurance outpacing inflation, cash for clunkers etc…) it’s now almost impossible to afford a car working a few hours at McDonald’s.

There’s also far more fast food restaurants per capita than there used to be, and food service/retail make up a larger part of the economy in general.

To top it off, the age of the average American has increased almost 10 years since 1960, so there are just fewer kids to do the jobs.

Re:I think US college education is nearer to collapsing than... by WalterBright on Monday March 21, 2022 @02:03AM (#30750797)
I still regret not buying that '68 Chevelle Super Sport for $600 when I was in h.s. That thing was a rocket with that giant V8 and very little car. I did wind up with a 67 289 Mustang. It was an automatic, and my buddy & I converted it to a 4 speed because muscle cars with automatics were for weeners.

We sure had fun shredding tires with it. I was lucky to survive the accident that terminated it.

Re:I think US college education is nearer to collapsing than... by tcmart14 on Sunday March 20, 2022 @09:39PM (#30749047)
And adults have always occupied those jobs too. How else did you get McDonalds Breakfast 30 years ago on a Wednesday at 8 AM in October going into the office?
Re:I think US college education is nearer to collapsing than... by WalterBright on Sunday March 20, 2022 @09:42PM (#30749078)
Are you sure? I don't ever remember an adult behind the counter in those days. 18 and 19 year-olds are still teens.
Re:I think US college education is nearer to collapsing than... by tcmart14 on Sunday March 20, 2022 @09:56PM (#30749167)
And they are also considered legally adults, are they not?

I remember at 18 signing up for 5 years in the Navy. I'd say that is pretty adult. If it isn't, you should consider contacting your senator about raising the age of enlistment.

Re:I think US college education is nearer to collapsing than... by WalterBright on Sunday March 20, 2022 @10:03PM (#30749218)
Legally adult, yes. They're still commonly regarded as kids, though, despite being eligible for the military. Note the drinking age is 21.

The ones that do sign up, though, grow up fast.

Re:I think US college education is nearer to collapsing than... by tcmart14 on Sunday March 20, 2022 @10:07PM (#30749242)
> Note the drinking age is 21.

All the more reason to contact your Senator. Lower the drinking age or make the age of enlistment higher. Adult enough to decide to become a sacrificial pawn, but not adult enough to drink a beer.

Re:I think US college education is nearer to collapsing than... by WalterBright on Sunday March 20, 2022 @10:19PM (#30749325)
Kinda changing the subject.