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Re:I think US college education is nearer to collapsing than... by heavyset_go on Sunday March 20, 2022 @08:32PM (#30748500)
> People repeat that but what is it based on? Most of the population, including most people who have economic stability and freedom, have not had STEM jobs and very likely will not have STEM jobs.

What generation? In my parents' generation, a secretary could get good health insurance for their family and retire with a pension. Today, someone new hired into that role would struggle to afford rent or health insurance for just themselves, and retirement is out of the question.

I think there is a relative amount of middle class wealth left that hides the fact that many modern jobs do not pay middle class compensation anymore. There are a lot of house poor people that might have the trappings of middle class life, but they're on life support.

In many places, to live a middle class lifestyle from 40 years ago would require young workers without assets to earn six figure incomes. Even in "affordable" places, incomes required for a middle class lifestyle are approaching six figures, as well. I'm certainly not one of those people who think STEM is the be-all and end-all solution to anything, but STEM jobs often put workers in the six figure income range.

Re:I think US college education is nearer to collapsing than... by wolverine876 on Monday March 21, 2022 @03:24AM (#30751215)
There just aren't enough STEM jobs to cover a fraction of people with financial stability.

> a secretary could get good health insurance for their family and retire with a pension. Today, someone new hired into that role would struggle to afford rent or health insurance for just themselves, and retirement is out of the question.

While I agree that wages haven't advanced outside of a the very few, secretaries aren't a good example. Computerization has made most of those skills obsolete.

Re:I think US college education is nearer to collapsing than... by twiddling on Monday March 21, 2022 @12:52PM (#30756435)
and global competition for labor
Re:I think US college education is nearer to collapsing than... by sarchertech on Monday March 21, 2022 @01:08AM (#30750517)
STEM jobs don’t put people in that income range, a small subset of STEM jobs do. The majority of STEM careers don’t make 6 figures outside of management.