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Re:Google will soon ask Australian users to show ID to view ... by nojs on Sunday March 20, 2022 @10:38AM (#30742970)
Ok, so what’s the real reason the government wants this?
Re:Google will soon ask Australian users to show ID to view ... by kQq9oHeAz6wLLS on Sunday March 20, 2022 @10:50AM (#30743063)
Well, the Australian government has shown it's willing to throw people into camps against their will, so...greater control of the population would be my guess.

You know. To keep kids safe.

Re:Google will soon ask Australian users to show ID to view ... by forum_ghost on Sunday March 20, 2022 @11:14AM (#30743286)
They want us to live in Utopia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJYaXy5mmA8
Re:Google will soon ask Australian users to show ID to view ... by stubish on Sunday March 20, 2022 @10:50PM (#30749581)
The Australian Government wants social media to be able to identify users who make posts so they can be sued for defamation. Age verification is just an easy to accept start, getting people on board and setting the legal precedent of requiring foreign owned social media companies to collect this private and dangerous information (and note, Australia is also suing these same companies for abusing private information they collect). Assuming the opposition goes along for the ride, identity verification will also kick in before making Youtube comments, Facebook posts or comments, or Tweets. And maybe Mozilla will make some money marketing their VPN as a privacy service for Australians.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-28/social-media-laws-onl...

Re:Google will soon ask Australian users to show ID to view ... by mrjangles on Sunday March 20, 2022 @11:42PM (#30749962)
There is no connection between this and what is in the article, which is about age verification for viewing adult content. If you are commenting on social media, those companies already have all your information.
Re:Google will soon ask Australian users to show ID to view ... by stubish on Sunday March 20, 2022 @11:58PM (#30750071)
There is no provable connection, no. But I do find it a coincidence that age verification is being pursued now rather than years ago, just months after the government started pressing for social media to be able to identify users so they can be sued for defamation, bullying etc. Social media may already know who many users are, but they obviously can't prove it to the satisfaction of the courts or with enough reliability or this would not have become an issue.
Re:Google will soon ask Australian users to show ID to view ... by wutbrodo on Sunday March 20, 2022 @11:10AM (#30743252)
The ~only reason gov't ever does anything is because they think it looks good to voters.

And any given voter doesn't have "wants" or "beliefs", just violent mood swings and social performance.

This isn't really even a bug of government's! Government action is very often valuable and necessary. But the incentive structure is such that modeling the gov't as a somewhat-rational entity with well-formed desires is usually not the correct frame to start with, IMO

Re:Google will soon ask Australian users to show ID to view ... by codewithcheese on Sunday March 20, 2022 @11:16AM (#30743304)
"because the voters want it" is just how they spin it, the reason is to have a chilling effect on expressing dissatisfaction with whatever party is in power.
Re:Google will soon ask Australian users to show ID to view ... by forum_ghost on Sunday March 20, 2022 @11:18AM (#30743316)
"Princeton University study: Public opinion has “near-zero” impact on U.S. law.": https://act.represent.us/sign/problempoll-fba/

The government does the bidding of the economic elites. Economic elites don't vote, they buy influence.

Re:Google will soon ask Australian users to show ID to view ... by zo1 on Sunday March 20, 2022 @12:23PM (#30744004)
I think we also need to realize that those in power aren't necessarily plain old rich like the monocle guy from Monopoly or Mr Burns from the Simpsons. They're just connected, powerful, to a degree rich, and sometimes plain old skilled orators that can convince a lot of people.
Re:Google will soon ask Australian users to show ID to view ... by zo1 on Sunday March 20, 2022 @12:21PM (#30743986)
If that's the case, then we should be able to do a referendum for legislation this "big" to go through, right? I'd argue that the lack of a robust, accessible and easy form of referendums means we're not fundamentally different to a dictatorship.
Re:Google will soon ask Australian users to show ID to view ... by mikem170 on Sunday March 20, 2022 @12:44PM (#30744218)
I admire Switzerland's system, where the people can petition for a referendum to delete any law they don't like.

This forces the politicians to negotiate with motivated minorities before creating new laws.

Instead in the U.S. we allow rich people and corporations (who are not voters!) to give money to politicians. In most other democracies this is illegal and considered to be corrupt.

Re:Google will soon ask Australian users to show ID to view ... by int_19h on Sunday March 20, 2022 @02:23PM (#30745187)
Swiss system also allows people to pass any law that they like. For example, the infamous law banning construction of minarets.

I'm also not sure how this is supposed to help minorities (motivated or otherwise), since the referendum is country-wide.

Re:Google will soon ask Australian users to show ID to view ... by mikem170 on Monday March 21, 2022 @10:01AM (#30754210)
Thanks for your comment, I had not heard of the minaret ban [0], which was an amendment passed by a double-majority (people and cantons), and was considered to violate existing constitutional protections.

I guess this is what happens in a democracy when enough people believe in doing something, even if that something is not right by everyone. Many forms of government are susceptible to this, depending on the culture. The world would be a better place if people had more respect for each other.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Swiss_minaret_referendum

Re:Google will soon ask Australian users to show ID to view ... by citizenpaul on Sunday March 20, 2022 @11:34AM (#30743505)
You are not the voter anymore. Watch the second half of GCP Greys. Rules for Rules on youtube, or read the book its based on if you want to understand. The video is a really good summary though.
Re:Google will soon ask Australian users to show ID to view ... by RobertMiller on Sunday March 20, 2022 @11:07AM (#30743223)
The "Five Eyes" anglosphere establishment uses Australia as a testbed for authoritarian measures that may later be implemented in the others.
Re:Google will soon ask Australian users to show ID to view ... by aaa_aaa on Sunday March 20, 2022 @11:10AM (#30743249)
For the greater good. </s>