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Re:If Google sucks then why is everyone still using it? by pixl97 on Friday March 18, 2022 @07:12PM (#30728820)
3) ban abusive data providers?
Re:If Google sucks then why is everyone still using it? by RC_ITR on Friday March 18, 2022 @07:20PM (#30728902)
Well let's make this real.

Sites with people hired to optimize the robots.txt file are ranked higher than those without. If we ban all websites that hire people to optimize their robots.txt, then a lot of the web isn't indexed and the search results suffer.

Or if we ban every creator on tik tok who posts a lot of text in a short video, then a lot of creators are going to be de-platformed and moved elsewhere.

The point of what I wrote is that 'humans are really god at following rules, so much so that they often are able to manipulate rules to their advantage, without breaking said rules.

That's why this is such a hard problem to counter.

Re:If Google sucks then why is everyone still using it? by jeffbee on Friday March 18, 2022 @07:41PM (#30729085)
You're ignoring the only insightful part of the article: if a search engine succeeds at all, it cannot ban anyone, because some antitrust bureaucrat somewhere will cluck about it.
Re:If Google sucks then why is everyone still using it? by hedora on Saturday March 19, 2022 @12:12AM (#30730923)
If this were true, wouldn't Google display all million pages that are vaguely relevant to my query on the first screen?

Their only job is to stack order the internet. Down ranking a site to the 1,000,000th result is the same as banning them. They necessarily do this all the time (like for every search with more than 10 potential hits).

Re:If Google sucks then why is everyone still using it? by elevaet on Friday March 18, 2022 @07:19PM (#30728893)
How would that even work? Define the border between SEO and abuse.
Re:If Google sucks then why is everyone still using it? by q-big on Friday March 18, 2022 @07:36PM (#30729037)
> Define the border between SEO and abuse.

Perhaps there is no border to be defined since nearly all SEO is abuse?!

The only acceptable SEO should be "provide website content that is more relevant/interesting for the viewer".

Re:If Google sucks then why is everyone still using it? by ipsi on Friday March 18, 2022 @08:21PM (#30729449)
Let's say someone writes a blog article. They publish it on Wordpress with a bunch of unoptimised defaults. Some time after, someone comes along and says "Hey, the search engine will rank your post more highly if you include the name of the post in the URL instead of just having it be blog.example.com/posts?id=1234", so they change the URL. Is that SEO? Should that result in the site being de-listed/banned? It doesn't meet your definition of "provide website content that is more relevant/interesting for the viewer".

And where is the line between "provide website content that is more relevant/interesting for the viewer" and SEO? If I realise that (to take an example from something found on Google) I could take the sentence "Identify the best customers and convert more" and rewrite it as "Marketing automation helps you identify the best customers and convert more", is that SEO because I'm intentionally adding a keyword, or is that making the content more relevant to the user by being more explicit in what I'm saying?

Re:If Google sucks then why is everyone still using it? by nonameiguess on Saturday March 19, 2022 @09:45AM (#30733649)
I'm sure there are better examples, but this specific one actually does make the experience better for the reader. People often return to good blog posts and it's a lot easier to remember a title than a numerical id. If you can remember the title and know the url of the blog and it has a simple naming convention, you can bypass the search engine entirely and just go straight there. Sports sites are really good about this. <URL>/<LEAGUE>/stats always gets you the stats. <URL>/<LEAGUE>/standings gets you the standings. If you're curious how a team is doing or who currently leads in scoring or whatever, you know where to go without needing assistance from search.
Re:If Google sucks then why is everyone still using it? by q-big on Friday March 18, 2022 @08:55PM (#30729719)
To my moral standard, all of this is manipulative if the intention is to manipulate the Google ranking instead of seeing an improved Google ranking as a result of delivering better service to the visitor.

This does of course not imply that these things can be proven, which implies that no action can be taken. Not everything that is immoral is punishable.