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Re:The FTC’s new enforcement weapon: “Algorithmic destruction” by tomc1985 on Thursday March 17, 2022 @01:24PM (#30713614)
Good, I hope they tear through this data-mining-gold-rush and set us back 1000 years, and I hope all the wantrepreneurs trying to exploit all of us with this data bullshit end up homeless and poor.

I am not a data point, I do not want to be a data point, and I do not want products and services to interact with me as if I was. We humans are superior at curation, discovery, and anticipating our needs. Not AI.

Re:The FTC’s new enforcement weapon: “Algorithmic destruction” by cryptonector on Thursday March 17, 2022 @03:34PM (#30715035)
> I am not a data point, I do not want to be a data point, ...

<insert obligatory The Prisoner reference>

  I am not a number! I am a free man!
  I will not make any deals with you.
  I've resigned.
  I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed,
  briefed, debriefed, or numbered!
  My life is my own!
Re:The FTC’s new enforcement weapon: “Algorithmic destruction” by m463 on Thursday March 17, 2022 @04:47PM (#30715715)
> We humans are superior at curation, discovery, and anticipating our needs

You speak as though advertising was for you.

The data being collected about you is used to sell you to advertisers, and your data to 3rd parties.

you see advertisements not because you are interested in a product, but because the seller of the product is interested in one of your characteristics (like your income, sex, weight, religious affiliation, price insensitivity, poor decision making skills, etc...)

Re:The FTC’s new enforcement weapon: “Algorithmic destruction” by tomc1985 on Friday March 18, 2022 @09:24PM (#30729931)
The value-adds I wrote above are what this data economy is being sold to us as. Where are the consumer-visible benefits of AI? Your "curated" "exclusive" (gag) recommendations "just for you" on Spotify or Netflix. "Products you might like" on Amazon. Etc etc etc
Re:The FTC’s new enforcement weapon: “Algorithmic destruction” by PaulDavisThe1st on Thursday March 17, 2022 @03:36PM (#30715059)
> We humans are superior at curation, discovery, and anticipating our needs. Not AI.

1. I think is far from established, and if anything the accumulating evidence shows the opposite (though I do hate the term AI when used like this)

2. The issue (for me, at least) is not "AI" replacing human equivalents (though in some parts of life, this is a huge issue), but rather the ease to which the AI's actual purpose and success metrics can be different from the claims made about it by its owner-operators.

It's not that this can't happen with human beings too - financial advisers who are actually lining their own pockets rather than providing you with the best advice for you. But it is much easier to hide nefarious intent inside an algorithm, and harder to discover it without access to source code (and non-trivial even then).

Re:The FTC’s new enforcement weapon: “Algorithmic destruction” by andreilys on Thursday March 17, 2022 @01:47PM (#30713921)
We humans are superior at curation, discovery, and anticipating our needs.

Depends, I would prefer reco Algos be open source and I can plug in different ones.

Trying to make sense of the mass of data without a personalized recommendation engine is a fools errand.

Re:The FTC’s new enforcement weapon: “Algorithmic destruction” by tenebrisalietum on Thursday March 17, 2022 @01:58PM (#30714050)
all we need is grep for audio and video and I'm good.
Re:The FTC’s new enforcement weapon: “Algorithmic destruction” by prometheus76 on Thursday March 17, 2022 @03:19PM (#30714875)
Related: there are a few channels on youtube that I archive locally, and I always grab the subtitles when I do. I throw them all into a database that I can run queries against if I'm trying to remember which video something was said in. It's not a direct grep of the video, but pretty close!
Re:The FTC’s new enforcement weapon: “Algorithmic destruction” by hi_im_miles on Thursday March 17, 2022 @03:26PM (#30714962)
We basically need a curation protocol.
Re:The FTC’s new enforcement weapon: “Algorithmic destruction” by yummypaint on Thursday March 17, 2022 @03:30PM (#30715000)
This is the field of library science
Re:The FTC’s new enforcement weapon: “Algorithmic destruction” by BurningFrog on Thursday March 17, 2022 @04:45PM (#30715696)
If AI is inferior, there is no need to ban it. Pick a side!
Re:The FTC’s new enforcement weapon: “Algorithmic destruction” by sodkmfkwegw on Thursday March 17, 2022 @04:59PM (#30715824)
That's the same argument as :

If nuclear weapons are superior to all weapons, no need to ban them!!

Re:The FTC’s new enforcement weapon: “Algorithmic destruction” by fallingknife on Friday March 18, 2022 @03:20PM (#30726381)
It's literally the opposite argument
Re:The FTC’s new enforcement weapon: “Algorithmic destruction” by listenallyall on Thursday March 17, 2022 @05:25PM (#30716067)
Should we not have counted Covid deaths or cases because those individuals also didn't want to be a data point?
Re:The FTC’s new enforcement weapon: “Algorithmic destruction” by andrewjl on Thursday March 17, 2022 @06:28PM (#30716588)
Who's making money directly from those figures?