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Re:Deliberately optimizing for harm by R0b0t1 on Wednesday March 16, 2022 @07:46PM (#30705633)
A lot of the cost in defense contracts is paying for guaranteed domestic supply in the event of a war. If you buy COTS parts and outsource your machining I see $10k as very achievable, the majority of that being metal and explosives. The electronics are nearly trivial, but some of the IR tracking is embargoed and hard to get outside the US.
Re:Deliberately optimizing for harm by openasocket on Wednesday March 16, 2022 @10:20PM (#30706869)
Find me an engine capable of going a couple hundred miles an hour for less than $10K though
Re:Deliberately optimizing for harm by namibj on Wednesday March 16, 2022 @11:46PM (#30707443)
Hydro-formed "Escopette"-style valveless pulsejet? They run as efficiently as a turbojet (w.r.t. specific fuel consumption), and Mach 0.7 is way beyond your "couple hundred miles an hour".

It will be burnt up by the time it runs out of fuel, though.

For a good one it has to be hydro-formed out of seamless pipe, which is likely hot-stretched (like wire drawing, but using an induction heating coil in place of the die, and independently controlling the feed-rate and the pull-rate) in advance to retain consistent wall thickness in the engine despite being cross-section after hydro-forming. Also probably incremental hydro-forming with grain-structure-fixing re-heating between stages.

The hard part is just that most of the work is in making the hydro-forming dies/tools, not then using them to cheaply produce more engines.

Re:Deliberately optimizing for harm by openasocket on Thursday March 17, 2022 @02:50PM (#30714574)
Fascinating, haven't heard of this. Some googling suggested there is some active research in this area, and at least some active use by hobbyists and by the military in target drones. Seems like a promising angle for a cheaper cruise missile, at least on the engine front.
Re:Deliberately optimizing for harm by namibj on Saturday March 19, 2022 @02:12PM (#30736151)
They are loud, though, because they use ~100 Hz wave compression for their combustion, instead of continuous-flow as with a non-pulse jet.
Re:Deliberately optimizing for harm by R0b0t1 on Wednesday March 16, 2022 @11:54PM (#30707488)
A solid rocket engine. It's not hard. Did you mean missiles or drones?
Re:Deliberately optimizing for harm by openasocket on Thursday March 17, 2022 @02:22PM (#30714308)
You're going to have serious troubles implementing a cruise missile with a range in the hundreds of miles with a solid rocket engine. While most cruise missiles use a solid booster to launch the missile and get it up to the proper speed and altitude, you need an engine to sustain flight. You also need a propulsion mechanism that allows you to control thrust, which a solid engine wouldn't. To my knowledge there is no cruise missile in existence that uses just a solid rocket engine. In theory you could get into the hundreds of miles with just a booster if you use it to get up to a significant altitude and glide the rest of the way. But that largely defeats the purpose of a cruise missile: traveling at low altitude to avoid enemy radar.

Of course, you can definitely make a BALLISTIC missile with a couple hundred mile range using a solid rocket engine, and probably for fairly cheap (especially if you don't particularly care about accuracy)

Re:Deliberately optimizing for harm by stickfigure on Thursday March 17, 2022 @11:00PM (#30718336)
> BALLISTIC missile

Also: Scud missiles are comparable, made outside western cost inflation, and still ~$1M each. So I'm guessing you can't get a ballistic missile anywhere near $10k (at least, not one that isn't more likely to kill its owner).

Re:Deliberately optimizing for harm by R0b0t1 on Sunday March 20, 2022 @05:08AM (#30741219)
Yeah, I got confused. Those are harder to reduce cost on. I had this conversation previously about javelins, etc.
Re:Deliberately optimizing for harm by BlueTemplar on Thursday March 17, 2022 @03:40AM (#30708575)
Well, unscrupulous sellers find a way even around embargoes...

https://disclose.ngo/en/article/war-in-ukraine-how-france-de...

(An order of magnitude larger helicarrier contract was cancelled eventually.)