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Re:High prices will outlast the war by olliej on Tuesday March 15, 2022 @01:41AM (#30682003)
Inflation has been rampant for years, it's been hidden as inflation measures inexplicably don't include cost of housing, it also doesn't include the massive subsidies provided to industries that are poorly managed like US agriculture. Finally, the claims that massive price increases were due to inflation would be much more believable if the businesses selling the "inflation impacted goods" we're making the highest profits ever, far in excess of the highest estimates of inflation.

Your claim also doesn't explain how inflation didn't balloon in countries that provided actual financial support to people - the US had two payments of next to nothing, most other countries provided continuous support, even those with far less per-capita income.

Re:High prices will outlast the war by jml7c5 on Tuesday March 15, 2022 @01:52AM (#30682055)
>Finally, the claims that massive price increases were due to inflation

You have this backwards. Inflation (via CPI) is based on price changes, it doesn't cause them.

>would be much more believable if the businesses selling the "inflation impacted goods" we're making the highest profits ever, far in excess of the highest estimates of inflation.

This is exactly what you'd expect when there is low supply and high demand.

Re:High prices will outlast the war by randomdata on Tuesday March 15, 2022 @02:03AM (#30682098)
Inflation is the decline in value of the currency. CPI is how we normally attempt to measure inflation since asking "How much will you pay for a dollar today?" will not yield a useful answer. You are right that the measuring is done in hindsight. But the decline in value of the currency is responsible for prices rising to compensate.
Re:High prices will outlast the war by pmontra on Tuesday March 15, 2022 @06:25AM (#30683623)
The value of a currency can decrease compared to other currencies but prices can stay the same inside a country. What happens is that you have less of everything especially for goods that depend on trade with other countries.
Re:High prices will outlast the war by randomdata on Tuesday March 15, 2022 @09:26AM (#30684942)
I am referring to the value of the currency compared to itself in the past. A dollar today is not worth the same amount as a dollar yesterday. Inflation is that decline in value over time. Less commonly, it is also possible for a currency to become worth more over time, which is what we refer to as deflation.

If, for argument's sake, a dollar halved in value, the price of a widget of constant value would double to maintain equality in the exchange. What makes things complicated is that the value of the widget isn't constant and can also change over time, so we can't just look at that widget to see how the value of the currency is changing. Instead, we try to look for price trends across a wide range of products (CPI) to try and infer what is related to currency devaluation rather than changing values of other goods and services.

Re:High prices will outlast the war by shostack on Tuesday March 15, 2022 @02:12AM (#30682144)
Are there no measures that bake in home prices?
Re:High prices will outlast the war by mohanmcgeek on Tuesday March 15, 2022 @02:20AM (#30682185)
Not sure what GP is talking about.

Housing is the biggest component in CPI: something like 40% IIRC

Re:High prices will outlast the war by OrlandoHakim on Tuesday March 15, 2022 @02:48AM (#30682332)
It's an indirect measure at best and highly gameable [0]

[0] https://www.bls.gov/cpi/factsheets/owners-equivalent-rent-an...

Re:High prices will outlast the war by throwaway48375 on Tuesday March 15, 2022 @02:48AM (#30682334)
There is definitely something wrong with CPI. I'm not sure what it is because on paper it seems like a reasonable measure, but anecdotally my expenses are up more like 17% vs CPI's 7%. My "personal inflation" regularly beats out CPI (although usually not by such a high margin. Housing, fuel, and food have been the biggest increases for me. I wonder if all the consumer goods are somehow over represented.
Re:High prices will outlast the war by jjeaff on Tuesday March 15, 2022 @03:43AM (#30682648)
There is definitely something wrong with reports of gas prices being too high. I barely drive anywhere so the increase in price barely effects me.
Re:High prices will outlast the war by notch656a on Tuesday March 15, 2022 @06:35PM (#30692832)
It's a common misconception that gas prices barely effect those who don't drive. Unfortunately it couldn't be further from the truth. A massive portion of the logistics of America, bringing essentials that almost everyone consumes like food, healthcare goods, building materials for maintaining housing, etc are reliant upon vehicles that consume petroleum products to reach the consumer.
Re:High prices will outlast the war by jjeaff on Tuesday March 22, 2022 @06:02PM (#30772142)
I don't think so, but I could be wrong. While gas does play a role in the price in a lot of different things like you state, the percentage of the final price of that item that includes fuel is usually very, very small.

Some back of the envelope estimates:

The last mile is usually going to be the largest expenditure of fuel per dollar of product transported. A semi truck gets 5 mpg on the low end and with diesel fuel currently at $5/gallon, that means it would cost just $2,700 in fuel to ship an entire truck load from New York to Los Angeles (much farther than most products would ever be trucked). Assume the truck is loaded with a low price, low margin product like toilet paper and you might ship around 4,000 small packs of toilet paper for a total fuel cost of $0.67 per roll. So if fuel prices doubled to $10 gallon, you would be looking at an increased cost of $0.67 per pack of toilet paper that is normally, maybe $10. So you are looking at a 7-10% increase in the cost of that toilet paper due to a doubling of fuel prices.

Of course, fuel is needed for the equipment that cuts the trees and the energy to manufacture that toilet paper, the plastic it is wrapped in, etc. But, we have to remember that we are talking about an inexpensive yet bulky product that we are shipping across the entire US and the weight is low so you could probably drag two trailers of it with only a marginal decrease in fuel efficiency.

The reality is that most products are trucked much shorter distances from ports that use enormous container ships where the fuel cost per dollar shipped is vanishingly small.

Re:High prices will outlast the war by mohanmcgeek on Tuesday March 15, 2022 @03:15AM (#30682490)
> My "personal inflation" regularly beats out CPI

I've experienced the opposite several times because I don't consume a few things that are part of the basket.