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Re:Ask HN: How can I prepare for hard economic times? by CJefferson on Monday March 14, 2022 @06:29AM (#30670651)
Has there ever been a time in the last 100 years when this kind of model has been useful. I understand the attraction, but I can't imagine how we could end up in the kind of situation where what you describe would be useful, without say total nucular war, at which point what you describe isn't enough.
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Re:Ask HN: How can I prepare for hard economic times? by fortylove on Monday March 14, 2022 @06:45AM (#30670768)
I mean, it might be useful in Ukraine right now.
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Re:Ask HN: How can I prepare for hard economic times? by kergonath on Monday March 14, 2022 @10:17AM (#30672719)
It does not protect you from being bombed to oblivion, or summarily shot by anybody with an ak-47 jealous of whatever you have, or raided by a military looking for food or entertainment, or expropriated in the unstable years ahead.

It might help if things don’t go too pear shaped, but this kind of event (a foreign invasion by a military with no regards for civilians) is basically game over regardless of your situation. The best outcome is you survive and rebuild.

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Re:Ask HN: How can I prepare for hard economic times? by reitanqild on Monday March 14, 2022 @11:50AM (#30673875)
If anything, Ukraine shows that civilization doesn't necessarily immediately collapse.

Despite the madness the only thing I learn about looting from Ukraine is:

- civilian would-be looters still getting punished

- Russian soldiers are looting

i.e. when your rations expired you get desperate and since the Russian army is armed and know they are an utter disgrace anyway this happens.

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Re:Ask HN: How can I prepare for hard economic times? by kergonath on Tuesday March 15, 2022 @06:54AM (#30683834)
> If anything, Ukraine shows that civilization doesn't necessarily immediately collapse.

It’s been 20 days. I’d refrain from being overly optimistic just now. More likely than a full civilisation collapse is a return to feudal tribalism as in Afghanistan and Lybia, which is not very good either.

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Re:Ask HN: How can I prepare for hard economic times? by darkwater on Monday March 14, 2022 @07:01AM (#30670863)
I don't think it's useful if in the threat model there is also the risk to get a misplaced missile on your house. Yeah you can defend against some poor guy/group of guys looking for food/things, but that's about it.
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Re:Ask HN: How can I prepare for hard economic times? by fortylove on Monday March 14, 2022 @06:54PM (#30679587)
To be fair though, a missile on your house isn't exactly the only threat in the model right now in Ukraine.
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Re:Ask HN: How can I prepare for hard economic times? by darkwater on Tuesday March 15, 2022 @07:35AM (#30684106)
Indeed it isn't, but it's plausible enough to make that other plan useless anyway.
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Re:Ask HN: How can I prepare for hard economic times? by CodeGlitch on Monday March 14, 2022 @10:02AM (#30672558)
Yes of course there has. Take the UK during WW2 for example, there was this campaign:

https://dig-for-victory.org.uk/

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