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Re:Tokamak Energy sets a temperature record among commercial... by adhesive_wombat on Sunday March 13, 2022 @06:50PM (#30666546)
You might break even on running costs, but when do you break even on the outlay?

I guess you get some back if you sell it, and you probably never actually laid out for it as such rather than though some mad financial chicanery because simply paying for stuff is decidedly plebian.

Re:Tokamak Energy sets a temperature record among commercial... by credit_guy on Sunday March 13, 2022 @08:29PM (#30667217)
Here's an example: Moonlight II. It's a 300 foot yacht owned by a sheik [1]. The price is $100 MM. You can rent it for "from $705k per week" [2]. Could be more, I guess. If they manage to charter it for 30 weeks a year, that's a nice $21 MM. That more than covers any conceivable financing and operating costs. In fact, you'd be hard pressed to find an investment with a similar return.

[1] https://www.superyachtfan.com/yacht/moonlight-ii/

[2] https://www.fraseryachts.com/en/yacht-for-charter/moonlight-...

Re:Tokamak Energy sets a temperature record among commercial... by fnord77 on Sunday March 13, 2022 @10:00PM (#30667748)
> If they manage to charter it for 30 weeks a year

that's a big "if"

Re:Tokamak Energy sets a temperature record among commercial... by TylerE on Sunday March 13, 2022 @11:00PM (#30668093)
Something like that probably has a one week turnaround between charters just to deep clean the thing, and reposition for the next trip.
Re:Tokamak Energy sets a temperature record among commercial... by adhesive_wombat on Monday March 14, 2022 @03:42AM (#30669497)
Ew, yes can you imagine the mess.

I'm surprised no authority has raided one just after an investment banker party cruise, looked for the forgotten baggies and seized the vessel for "drug smuggling".

Re:Tokamak Energy sets a temperature record among commercial... by vkou on Monday March 14, 2022 @05:59AM (#30670451)
In most localities, the purpose of drug laws is not in constraining the behaviour of people wealthy enough to party on a super-yacht.
Re:Tokamak Energy sets a temperature record among commercial... by objektif on Sunday March 13, 2022 @11:15PM (#30668172)
10 weeks would put it on par with Equity returns. Still not bad.
Re:Tokamak Energy sets a temperature record among commercial... by 01100011 on Monday March 14, 2022 @02:01AM (#30668977)
Doesn't that also have the benefit of making the yacht a business expense?
Re:Tokamak Energy sets a temperature record among commercial... by adhesive_wombat on Monday March 14, 2022 @03:18AM (#30669346)
I think superyachts are too "tax-efficient" to be thought about in such simple terms.
Re:Tokamak Energy sets a temperature record among commercial... by CSSer on Sunday March 13, 2022 @07:10PM (#30666699)
I’m not sure that’s the point. I think it’s more about minimizing costs. The rest is just part of the opportunity cost.
Re:Tokamak Energy sets a temperature record among commercial... by taneq on Sunday March 13, 2022 @08:10PM (#30667103)
Eventually, yeah, I’d think so. I’m not nesting-doll-yacht rich but as I understand it:

1) You don’t buy something for $100+ million out-of-pocket. It’s easy to borrow money when you have money. The purchase would be financed at very close to market interest rates, and the repayments factored into the running costs.

2) The vessel would then be run as a business and chartered out for conventions, luxury cruises etc. Any profits would go to the owner.

3) The owner would then use the vessel as needed, maybe even paying like any other customer (albeit out of the profits generated by the boat itself, I’d imagine.)

4) Any remaining profits could be used to pay off capital, but probably aren’t. Instead, they’d be used to fund new ventures.

Re:Tokamak Energy sets a temperature record among commercial... by Schroedingersat on Sunday March 13, 2022 @08:08PM (#30667090)
Well the yacht is now an 'investment' so you get to claim it on taxes and get an instant 30% refund.

Your buddy sets up a special company just to build it and stiffs all his employees and suppliers. Then the quid pro quo gets you another 30% or so back.

Renting it out for another 12mo/year earns the remainder back in a decade or two.

You can also 'donate' the use of your yacht to have a big party (also known as a charity ball) from time to time if you feel you are paying too much tax. Make sure the 'charity' is one owned by one of your buddies and is primarily used for lobbying or undermining competitors.

Re:Tokamak Energy sets a temperature record among commercial... by NavinF on Sunday March 13, 2022 @09:45PM (#30667656)
> now an 'investment' so you get to claim it on taxes and get an instant 30% refund

I gotta ask, have you ever filed taxes? Cause that’s not how any of this works.

Re:Tokamak Energy sets a temperature record among commercial... by missedthecue on Sunday March 13, 2022 @08:24PM (#30667187)
How do I claim things on my taxes as "investments" for a 30% refund?