Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

Re:Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown by throwaway4good on Sunday March 13, 2022 @05:46AM (#30659672)

Wrt. mRNA boosters, I know it is a common talking point that China is in trouble because it doesn't have mRNA-vaccines but I believe the vaccines that China have is of the type as the AstraZeneca vaccine, that is commonly used in the UK which now is free of COVID-restrictions. In other words; if is China is willing, it can go down the same path of vax-and-let-it-rip.

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Re:Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown by petesergeant on Sunday March 13, 2022 @05:57AM (#30659761)

AZ is adenovirus vector (like J&J, Sputnik), SinoVac and Sinopharm are inactivated.

> if is China is willing, it can go down the same path of vax-and-let-it-rip

Many many fewer Chinese have immunity from having had the virus than Brits

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Re:Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown by eggy on Sunday March 13, 2022 @12:28PM (#30662788)

>Many many fewer Chinese have immunity from having had the virus than Brits

Exactly, quick, strict lockdowns at first puts off the infections to come later when you return a largely non-immune population to business as usual. Zero-COVID should not be the aim, but only to spread out the load on hospitals and emergency care facilities. You want your vulnerable population to get vaccinated, and the less vulnerable who become infected no matter what, build your immune base.

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Re:Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown by throwaway4good on Sunday March 13, 2022 @06:22AM (#30659919)

The one made by CanSino is adenovirus vector.

The point I am trying to make is that this is a political choice rather than a question of access to technology.

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Re:Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown by ChemSpider on Sunday March 13, 2022 @06:22AM (#30659913)

"but I believe the vaccines that China have is of the type as the AstraZeneca vaccine"

Absolutely not. And that is they key problem.

Personally I was quite sure that Beijing would allow Biontech sooner or later, especially since the Chinese company Fosun was a very smart early investor in BNT.

But unfortunately it seems Xi's nationalism is now so strong that he is willing to let many people die for it.

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Re:Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown by throwaway4good on Sunday March 13, 2022 @06:35AM (#30659990)

Sorry. What I wrote is clearly incorrect.

It should have said:

Some of the vaccines that China have is of the same type as the AstraZeneca vaccine.

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Re:Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown by ChemSpider on Sunday March 13, 2022 @06:38AM (#30660009)

I don't think so. What vaccine should that be? Sinovac is certainly not.

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Re:Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown by throwaway4good on Sunday March 13, 2022 @06:43AM (#30660042)

https://covid19.trackvaccines.org/vaccines/2/

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Re:Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown by y7 on Sunday March 13, 2022 @05:57AM (#30659758)

For a booster (3rd shot), the UK only uses mRNA vaccines.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccinat...

Edit: changed my ambiguous wording

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Re:Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown by matthewmacleod on Sunday March 13, 2022 @06:11AM (#30659842)

Neither of these points are quite correct - mRNA vaccines were extensively used for both initial vaccinations and boosters in the UK. IIRC the AZ vaccine was quite quickly withdrawn for everyone under 40.

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Re:Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown by bigDinosaur on Sunday March 13, 2022 @07:20AM (#30660259)

Minor thing, but that'll probably be expanded to include Novavax in a relatively short amount of time. Not that it matters much for the progression of the pandemic (it's far too late to make a big difference, and will only mop up a few vaccine hesitant people).

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Re:Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown by jl6 on Sunday March 13, 2022 @06:05AM (#30659802)

Not true, Pfizer was used in the initial vaccination rollout too.

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Re:Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown by grumbelbart on Sunday March 13, 2022 @06:43AM (#30660039)

Huh? Plenty of previous non-covid vaccines require more than two shots.

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Re:Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown by midasuni on Sunday March 13, 2022 @07:03AM (#30660156)

I suspect they did their own research

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Re:Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown by endless1234 on Sunday March 13, 2022 @06:42AM (#30660035)

What? More than two doses is extremely common for vaccines. See e.g. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/hcp/imz/child-adolesc...

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Re:Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown by bonzini on Sunday March 13, 2022 @06:44AM (#30660044)

Infants have three or four doses for some of their vaccines.

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Re:Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown by HstryrsrBttn on Sunday March 13, 2022 @06:44AM (#30660045)

Utter nonsense. A lot of vaccines need multiple shots -- independent of the duration of the protection.

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Re:Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown by skrause on Sunday March 13, 2022 @07:37AM (#30660353)

China is more likely to go the Hong-Kong route (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-60474342), i.e. a very high death rate even with Omicron because they (unlike the UK) haven't managed to vaccinate a high percentage of their old population.

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