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Re:The case for induction cooking by donw on Sunday March 13, 2022 @03:10AM (#30658750)
God, this.

I like induction stoves. Easier to clean, and do 90% of what I need doing in a kitchen. Not having to run gas lines is a plus, and for the other 10%, I'm probably working on a grill or using a dedicated burner anyway.

But the UIs are awful.

Stop turning yourself off. Yes, I do intend to cook the thing I put on you for six hours. Just fucking do it.

Give me a knob. Gas stoves use knobs for good reasons. You don't need to invent new UX, just give me a motherfucking knob. A knob without complicated family issues is fine as well.

My stove does not need Bluetooth or WiFi. It's a stove. I expect it to work with minor maintenance for 40+ years. Protocols are going to change a lot between here and there.

I am not installing your app. Not today, not tomorrow, not ever. Baphomet will call up and tell me he got right with Jesus before I install your app.

There has to be a market for people that want appliances that just... work.

Addendum: there are a few induction stoves with knobs, but they are definitely the exception, rather than the rule:

- https://www.bluestarcooking.com/cooking/cooktops/36-turn-ind...

- https://performwireless.com/7-best-induction-cooktops-with-k... (half of these are not full-size built-ins)

Re:The case for induction cooking by r_klancer on Sunday March 13, 2022 @10:25AM (#30661456)
I'm redoing my kitchen (in the US) with induction and ruled out anything with touch controls. I noticed that particular issue as soon as I stepped into the showroom. Thanks for letting me know about the auto-off problem.

The other problem to watch out for is poor reliability due to gradual "cooking" of the circuit board -- after all, the knobs are not physically connected to the power electronics; they're just a digital input to a controller, same as for the touch controlled units.

The showroom had this Beko range with knobs and no Wifi or "smart" stuff for ~half the starting price of their (so-called) "pro" ranges: https://www.yaleappliance.com/kitchen/cooking-appliances/ran...

I think I'm going with this GE ("Café") double-oven option for my small kitchen, as long as I can confirm the Wifi stuff is strictly optional and isn't in the failure path: https://www.yaleappliance.com/kitchen/cooking-appliances/ran...

Other options with knobs were from Miele, Fischer and Paykel, and (less expensively) LG. I believe Samsung also sells a range with knobs; see the photo in the article.

Re:The case for induction cooking by punnerud on Sunday March 13, 2022 @03:32AM (#30658862)
You get them with knobs: https://www.smeg.com/cookers/electric

Spilling have to be a gas thing? I experience it maybe once every three months on a induction oven (what I have at home).

I hated the gas oven when I studied in US, impossible to control the temperature accurately and boilover almost every time. Not even any faster.

Re:The case for induction cooking by donw on Sunday March 13, 2022 @08:41PM (#30667303)
> Spilling have to be a gas thing?

If you're not spilling, you're not cooking hard enough. :)

Gas does provide easier temperature regulation, as the change is (a) instantaneous; and (b) infinitely fine-grained compared to the average "levels" of an induction stove.

A good gas burner also puts out a more consistent heat pattern, as opposed to the "ring of burning" that is common to most induction cooktops.

But for most things, induction is good enough, and I appreciate the day-to-day versatility of "just wipe it down".

Re:The case for induction cooking by StockHuman on Sunday March 13, 2022 @07:57AM (#30660466)
Suggesting Smeg to someone concerned with quality undermines your point.
Re:The case for induction cooking by punnerud on Sunday March 13, 2022 @03:03PM (#30664616)
Could not find any of the products I am used to with knobs
Re:The case for induction cooking by 2muchcoffeeman on Sunday March 13, 2022 @05:24AM (#30659524)
>There has to be a market for people that want appliances that just... work.

I bet none of the commercial induction cooktops are internet of shit devices.