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Re:Intel Finds Bug in AMD's Spectre Mitigation – AMD Issues Fix by bhawks on Saturday March 12, 2022 @12:20PM (#30652912)
So I've been hobbling my CPUs performance for the past 4 years with a mitigation that doesn't actually mitigate.

Must be a day ending in y.

Re:Intel Finds Bug in AMD's Spectre Mitigation – AMD Issues Fix by _0ffh on Saturday March 12, 2022 @01:05PM (#30653341)
Oh, but it does mitigate - just turns out it don't mitigate enough.
Re:Intel Finds Bug in AMD's Spectre Mitigation – AMD Issues Fix by bhawks on Saturday March 12, 2022 @04:55PM (#30655288)
s/reservation/mitigation/ https://youtu.be/A-brgkkjnHc

Jokes aside - I understand the difficulty to adequately defend against meltdown/spectre. When the exploits were released I was running a service which definitely needed protection from this type of attack. Ironically we had just finished a set of optimizations that would have reduced our cpu costs quite nicely, the mitigations ate all those wins and more.

I guess I'm still bitter - I no longer own that system but it really frustrated me to hear that it apparently was still vulnerable to spectre style attacks.

Re:Intel Finds Bug in AMD's Spectre Mitigation – AMD Issues Fix by danuker on Sunday March 13, 2022 @01:32AM (#30658532)
> ate all those wins and more.

At least you still have a relative advantage: if you had not optimized, the CPU costs would have increased even more.

Re:Intel Finds Bug in AMD's Spectre Mitigation – AMD Issues Fix by blibble on Saturday March 12, 2022 @01:15PM (#30653421)
I turned them all off on all my production servers

they don't run arbitrary untrusted code and send a LOT of packets, those mitigations really hurt

Re:Intel Finds Bug in AMD's Spectre Mitigation – AMD Issues Fix by landemva on Saturday March 12, 2022 @03:22PM (#30654564)
That works on bare metal you control. If you rent something with VM / hypervisor the mitigations are important to protect from other VMs on the machine.
Re:Intel Finds Bug in AMD's Spectre Mitigation – AMD Issues Fix by waych on Saturday March 12, 2022 @03:39PM (#30654686)
Mitigation between VMs is only effective when done from the hypervisor. Mitigations within a VM can only counter intra VM data leaks.
Re:Intel Finds Bug in AMD's Spectre Mitigation – AMD Issues Fix by staticassertion on Saturday March 12, 2022 @01:20PM (#30653464)
I think that's the smart thing to do. Default to safe, let people evaluate their threat model and disable as needed.

I'm curious, what options did you disable?

Re:Intel Finds Bug in AMD's Spectre Mitigation – AMD Issues Fix by secondcoming on Saturday March 12, 2022 @02:54PM (#30654350)
Add 'mitigations=off' to the kernel command line (assuming you're using linux)

We did it for most of our GCP images

Re:Intel Finds Bug in AMD's Spectre Mitigation – AMD Issues Fix by TillE on Saturday March 12, 2022 @02:01PM (#30653847)
Right, I'm not sure Spectre is worth worrying about outside of big multi-user systems, or a web browser executing Javascript. Otherwise if you're executing untrusted code, you're in big trouble regardless.