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Re:Intel Finds Bug in AMD's Spectre Mitigation – AMD Issues Fix by nyanpasu64 on Saturday March 12, 2022 @09:46AM (#30651711)
The page now [EDIT: as of writing] points to a 404, and has been excluded from the Wayback Machine. However, it's still in Google Cache, which I've saved to https://web.archive.org/web/20220312144415/https://webcache..... The article might've been retracted for a reason though, IDK.
Re:Intel Finds Bug in AMD's Spectre Mitigation – AMD Issues Fix by News-Dog on Saturday March 12, 2022 @09:59AM (#30651815)
OP: I've deleted my browser-cache and checked at UTC 15:00 2022-03-12 ;

<https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-amd-spectre-v2-vulne...>

Opens fine for me here?

Re:Intel Finds Bug in AMD's Spectre Mitigation – AMD Issues Fix by mynameismon on Saturday March 12, 2022 @10:25AM (#30651977)
same here, loading fine on fresh load (opened it on my mobile earlier)
Re:Intel Finds Bug in AMD's Spectre Mitigation – AMD Issues Fix by nyanpasu64 on Saturday March 12, 2022 @10:04AM (#30651839)
It seems back up?
Re:Intel Finds Bug in AMD's Spectre Mitigation – AMD Issues Fix by jagger27 on Saturday March 12, 2022 @09:57AM (#30651797)
This kind of thing shows that Intel gives its STORM security team a lot of autonomy. The optics of this couldn’t be better, honestly.
Re:Intel Finds Bug in AMD's Spectre Mitigation – AMD Issues Fix by phendrenad2 on Saturday March 12, 2022 @12:53PM (#30653243)
If they found a problem and didn't report it, and someone leaked that fact to the press, that would be some very bad optics indeed, autonomy or no.
Re:Intel Finds Bug in AMD's Spectre Mitigation – AMD Issues Fix by bhawks on Saturday March 12, 2022 @12:20PM (#30652912)
So I've been hobbling my CPUs performance for the past 4 years with a mitigation that doesn't actually mitigate.

Must be a day ending in y.

Re:Intel Finds Bug in AMD's Spectre Mitigation – AMD Issues Fix by _0ffh on Saturday March 12, 2022 @01:05PM (#30653341)
Oh, but it does mitigate - just turns out it don't mitigate enough.
Re:Intel Finds Bug in AMD's Spectre Mitigation – AMD Issues Fix by bhawks on Saturday March 12, 2022 @04:55PM (#30655288)
s/reservation/mitigation/ https://youtu.be/A-brgkkjnHc

Jokes aside - I understand the difficulty to adequately defend against meltdown/spectre. When the exploits were released I was running a service which definitely needed protection from this type of attack. Ironically we had just finished a set of optimizations that would have reduced our cpu costs quite nicely, the mitigations ate all those wins and more.

I guess I'm still bitter - I no longer own that system but it really frustrated me to hear that it apparently was still vulnerable to spectre style attacks.

Re:Intel Finds Bug in AMD's Spectre Mitigation – AMD Issues Fix by danuker on Sunday March 13, 2022 @01:32AM (#30658532)
> ate all those wins and more.

At least you still have a relative advantage: if you had not optimized, the CPU costs would have increased even more.

Re:Intel Finds Bug in AMD's Spectre Mitigation – AMD Issues Fix by blibble on Saturday March 12, 2022 @01:15PM (#30653421)
I turned them all off on all my production servers

they don't run arbitrary untrusted code and send a LOT of packets, those mitigations really hurt

Re:Intel Finds Bug in AMD's Spectre Mitigation – AMD Issues Fix by landemva on Saturday March 12, 2022 @03:22PM (#30654564)
That works on bare metal you control. If you rent something with VM / hypervisor the mitigations are important to protect from other VMs on the machine.
Re:Intel Finds Bug in AMD's Spectre Mitigation – AMD Issues Fix by waych on Saturday March 12, 2022 @03:39PM (#30654686)
Mitigation between VMs is only effective when done from the hypervisor. Mitigations within a VM can only counter intra VM data leaks.
Re:Intel Finds Bug in AMD's Spectre Mitigation – AMD Issues Fix by staticassertion on Saturday March 12, 2022 @01:20PM (#30653464)
I think that's the smart thing to do. Default to safe, let people evaluate their threat model and disable as needed.

I'm curious, what options did you disable?

Re:Intel Finds Bug in AMD's Spectre Mitigation – AMD Issues Fix by secondcoming on Saturday March 12, 2022 @02:54PM (#30654350)
Add 'mitigations=off' to the kernel command line (assuming you're using linux)

We did it for most of our GCP images

Re:Intel Finds Bug in AMD's Spectre Mitigation – AMD Issues Fix by TillE on Saturday March 12, 2022 @02:01PM (#30653847)
Right, I'm not sure Spectre is worth worrying about outside of big multi-user systems, or a web browser executing Javascript. Otherwise if you're executing untrusted code, you're in big trouble regardless.
Re:Intel Finds Bug in AMD's Spectre Mitigation – AMD Issues Fix by ece on Saturday March 12, 2022 @08:35PM (#30656988)
Re:Intel Finds Bug in AMD's Spectre Mitigation – AMD Issues Fix by tus666 on Saturday March 12, 2022 @12:54PM (#30653250)
Aww.
Re:Intel Finds Bug in AMD's Spectre Mitigation – AMD Issues Fix by edlebert on Saturday March 12, 2022 @09:31AM (#30651628)
Ironic.
Re:Intel Finds Bug in AMD's Spectre Mitigation – AMD Issues Fix by flatiron on Saturday March 12, 2022 @09:51AM (#30651752)
In the article they explain it. People nudged intel to mitigate spectre like AMD. They looked into how they did it to learn more and found some flaws and responsibly disclosed them.