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Re:uBlock Origin becomes top addon on Firefox by meerita on Friday March 11, 2022 @12:06PM (#30642604)
We're two. It's so useful. I use it on those website who display the "accept all cookies", specially on those ones because I'm tired of denying cookie usage.

I still don't understand why Firefox, champion of privacy, doesn't make a uBlock native.

Re:uBlock Origin becomes top addon on Firefox by ericra on Friday March 11, 2022 @04:54PM (#30646485)
Just to make people aware who may not be, you can block a lot of cookie banners and other annoyances that are not blocked in uBlock Origin by default by enabling more specific filter lists in the extension options.

In the "filter lists" tab, I would recommended enabling the "Fanboy's Annoyance" list. It's a huge list that focuses on removing various annoying, recurring website components, and it's created by the maintainer of Easylist (uBlock Origin's primary filter list).

The downside, of course, is that this may in theory break some additional % of websites, but this has not been an issue in my experience.

Re:uBlock Origin becomes top addon on Firefox by adhesive_wombat on Friday March 11, 2022 @06:06PM (#30647235)
If a website fails to work if you don't click though the cookie banner, it's probably illegal in the EU. They cannot collect the covered data until you consent, but they also can't stop the website working if you don't. And if you didn't actively click the button, you can't have consented, and you definitely didn't consent if you deliberately hid the button.
Re:uBlock Origin becomes top addon on Firefox by meerita on Friday March 11, 2022 @05:05PM (#30646591)
I do that, especially those from onetrust
Re:uBlock Origin becomes top addon on Firefox by matheusmoreira on Friday March 11, 2022 @12:58PM (#30643496)
> I still don't understand why Firefox, champion of privacy, doesn't make a uBlock native.

That's the best technological solution but there are inherent conflicts of interest since Firefox depends on Google for money.

Re:uBlock Origin becomes top addon on Firefox by GekkePrutser on Friday March 11, 2022 @10:14PM (#30648690)
Not just that but due to their search for independence from Google they are increasingly relying on their own ads as well, like on the New Tabs screen :(
Re:uBlock Origin becomes top addon on Firefox by takeda on Friday March 11, 2022 @02:26PM (#30644828)
I don't think it is a good idea. Usually when things like that happen the project will become less and less effective, also once it is so ingrained it will be harder to switch to a new kid in town that is better.

Firefox has its own built in privacy mechanism that is enabled by default and don't prevent me to use uBlock together with it. I prefer that approach.

Re:uBlock Origin becomes top addon on Firefox by Nextgrid on Friday March 11, 2022 @01:22PM (#30643868)
> I still don't understand why Firefox, champion of privacy, doesn't make a uBlock native.

Mozilla's "commitment" to privacy is all talk and no action.

Re:uBlock Origin becomes top addon on Firefox by boogies on Friday March 11, 2022 @10:03PM (#30648618)
Enabling Google as the default search engine, or the proprietary Pocket plugin, arguably isn’t innocent inaction. It’s actively anti-privacy action.
Re:uBlock Origin becomes top addon on Firefox by scarface74 on Friday March 11, 2022 @12:28PM (#30642997)
Blame government for not understanding unintended consequences when they pass laws regarding tech (GDPR)
Re:uBlock Origin becomes top addon on Firefox by btdmaster on Friday March 11, 2022 @12:58PM (#30643500)
The law says that agreeing or disagreeing should be equally easy. Companies are breaking that law.
Re:uBlock Origin becomes top addon on Firefox by emptysongglass on Friday March 11, 2022 @05:02PM (#30646553)
I don't want to agree or disagree at all. I want my internet back pre-banners where I just get the content. The new internet is awful.
Re:uBlock Origin becomes top addon on Firefox by adhesive_wombat on Friday March 11, 2022 @05:33PM (#30646876)
Personally I like the banners because they are an active reminder that that website is explicitly harvesting personal information.
Re:uBlock Origin becomes top addon on Firefox by dfinninger on Friday March 11, 2022 @01:55PM (#30644380)
Personally, I rarely come across a site that makes it harder to agree than disagree. I find both paths equally annoying.
Re:uBlock Origin becomes top addon on Firefox by forty on Friday March 11, 2022 @02:33PM (#30644916)
We must not use the same internet. Agree is always one click for me, and there is generally no disagree button, but a "manage your privacy settings" button, that opens the biggest popups ever, slow as hell, when then even work,with thousand of button to click.
Re:uBlock Origin becomes top addon on Firefox by adhesive_wombat on Friday March 11, 2022 @04:06PM (#30646018)
Examples are plentiful.

https://twitter.com/cookieshame

One interesting thing is that loads of sites use OneTrust to implement illegal banners. However OneTrust has a compliant banner on their own site.

So they can do it, but most sites deliberately configure it illegally.

Re:uBlock Origin becomes top addon on Firefox by scarface74 on Friday March 11, 2022 @03:53PM (#30645869)
It’s hard to know what a law says that requires you to read 11 chapters with 99 sections just to create a website.

https://gdpr-info.eu/

Re:uBlock Origin becomes top addon on Firefox by paulmd on Friday March 11, 2022 @04:42PM (#30646383)
completely false, it's trivially possible to create a website without needing to involve GDPR at all.
Re:uBlock Origin becomes top addon on Firefox by adhesive_wombat on Friday March 11, 2022 @05:37PM (#30646921)
Don't collect any information you don't actually have to, and if you do hold personal information, treat it basically like you'd want your own information treated, and you're basically good. It's really that simple.

The only people who think it's particularly hard or onerous are the people referenced by "It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it."

Re:uBlock Origin becomes top addon on Firefox by scarface74 on Friday March 11, 2022 @05:47PM (#30647031)
I don’t deal with the clusterf%%% of modern front end development. I’m just tired of seeing cookie banners everywhere.

Did the law in anyway make my life better?

Re:uBlock Origin becomes top addon on Firefox by adhesive_wombat on Friday March 11, 2022 @05:59PM (#30647159)
Obnoxious banners are not required under GDPR. In fact, unless denying consent is as easy as granting it, they're illegal.

It's not the law's fault that companies would rather implement such detrimental UX than either give up the teat of personal data or give people their rights.

It is, however, the fault of regulators for not stamping down on such behaviour when it is against both the letter and spirit of the law.

And, honestly, I consider the fact that so many websites are forced to admit that they are trying to take and sell my data to be positive.

Re:uBlock Origin becomes top addon on Firefox by scarface74 on Friday March 11, 2022 @06:47PM (#30647545)
Why do I care whose “fault” it is? Did government intervention make my life better or worse?

As Reagan said the most dangerous words in the English language “I’m from the government and I’m here to help”.

Re:uBlock Origin becomes top addon on Firefox by naniwaduni on Friday March 11, 2022 @06:39PM (#30647489)
The great "mistake" of GDPR is that it has consent provisions at all.

After previous cookie banners, they really should've known better. (Or, let's be real, absolutely did know, but left it in for corporate interests anyway.)

Re:uBlock Origin becomes top addon on Firefox by selcuka on Sunday March 13, 2022 @10:49AM (#30661681)
How do you know what is needed for that without reading the GDPR?
Re:uBlock Origin becomes top addon on Firefox by paulmd on Monday March 14, 2022 @03:18PM (#30676908)
if you don't collect personal data or analytics, you aren't covered by GDPR at all.

in the abstract sense of course everyone has to know all the laws of society - the law in its majestic equality forbids unsafe construction practices from builders and greengrocers alike - but that's not a particularly interesting or insightful observation.

Re:uBlock Origin becomes top addon on Firefox by adhesive_wombat on Friday March 11, 2022 @03:56PM (#30645899)
Or, blame companies for throwing passive-aggressive shitfits that aim to mislead people. GDPR doesn't mean you have to have an intrusive confusing mess of a cookie banner, for example.

In fact, a confusing banner that makes you play a minigame to get the respect for your personal information that you have a legal right to (in the EU) is explicitly disallowed.

And if you don't want any banners, then don't collect any information you don't have to. If it's actually technically needed, you don't need consent. For example, Wikipedia has lots of cookies for things like UI elements and they don't need a banner.

Re:uBlock Origin becomes top addon on Firefox by GekkePrutser on Friday March 11, 2022 @10:21PM (#30648719)
> In fact, a confusing banner that makes you play a minigame to get the respect for your personal information that you have a legal right to (in the EU) is explicitly disallowed.

It is. So are the ones defaulting to "yes". And the ones where there is just a popup telling the user to install some blocker in their browser without giving them a choice (like https://npr.org ). Or telling them to take a subscription if they don't want to be tracked.

All these things are illegal but unfortunately they are not enforced.

Re:uBlock Origin becomes top addon on Firefox by scarface74 on Friday March 11, 2022 @05:48PM (#30647048)
That’s not really comforting to me as an end user forced to deal with punch the monkey cookie banners everywhere.
Re:uBlock Origin becomes top addon on Firefox by adhesive_wombat on Friday March 11, 2022 @06:14PM (#30647303)
Indeed, having it repeatedly demonstrated that companies are willing to unapologetically break laws to attempt to trick me into permitting them to scrape up my personal data is not very comforting.
Re:uBlock Origin becomes top addon on Firefox by scarface74 on Friday March 11, 2022 @06:48PM (#30647558)
So maybe the government shouldn’t pass a law that it can’t or won’t enforce? See also “The War on $x” or “because terrorism”, “think of the children”.
Re:uBlock Origin becomes top addon on Firefox by adhesive_wombat on Saturday March 12, 2022 @05:00AM (#30650327)
CNIL, the French regulator, did just (last month) fine Google and Facebook 150 and 60 million euros, so there is some level of enforcement, but I agree it's not enough.

There are some big ones here: https://www.tessian.com/blog/biggest-gdpr-fines-2020. Ironically, that site also has a cookie banner that attempts to trick you into thinking that the highlighted button will save the default preferences shown (it won't, it'll turn them all in, then save that). This is illegal too.

Re:uBlock Origin becomes top addon on Firefox by GekkePrutser on Friday March 11, 2022 @10:19PM (#30648704)
The problem is that GDPR didn't go far enough.

They should have added a provision that if the user has Do Not Track turned on, the site may not present a cookie barrier and may not serve any cookies except essential ones. I know many browsers have removed DNT but they sure would bring it back in a heartbeat if it actually did anything.

This is what you get when corporate lobbying gets as big as it is in Brussels :(

Re:uBlock Origin becomes top addon on Firefox by adhesive_wombat on Saturday March 12, 2022 @05:14AM (#30650383)
Enforcing the rules for handful of "normal" websites that have illegal cookie banners would cause all the others to magically discover that it's actually not very hard to have to buttons next to each other with the same colour.

Brussels might have a corporate lobby problem, but they did create the regulations in the first place, so they're already ahead of a lot of national governments (which run the regulators).

Re:uBlock Origin becomes top addon on Firefox by scarface74 on Saturday March 12, 2022 @11:54AM (#30652697)
So now you want the government making laws about how to design your website?