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Re:Kettle Logic by Jtsummers on Thursday March 10, 2022 @03:01PM (#30631694)
The "even if" bit from your link is helpful to consider.

Kettle logic:

1. I wasn't there.

2. I was there but had no motive.

3. I was there, had motive, but had no means.

Argument in the alternative:

1. I wasn't there.

2. Even if I was there, I had no motive.

3. Even if I was there and had motive, I had no means.

The first makes three conflicting statements. The second makes 3 consecutive arguments: I have an alibi, but if you don't believe my alibi, I still had no motive, and if you don't believe my alibi and that I lacked motive, I had no means.

Re:Kettle Logic by bo1024 on Thursday March 10, 2022 @03:22PM (#30631926)
I think it's even better if the burden of proof is placed on the prosecution (as it should be):

1. The prosecution must prove I returned the kettle in a damaged state (they can't).

2. They must prove I received the kettle in an undamaged state (they can't).

3. They must prove I received the kettle at all (they can't).