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Re:Deep learning is hitting a wall? by 9wzYQbTYsAIc on Thursday March 10, 2022 @12:37AM (#30623565)
How do you explain non-human intelligence and tool usage, where there is no known culture?
Re:Deep learning is hitting a wall? by maze-le on Thursday March 10, 2022 @05:37AM (#30625383)
Actually, tool usage in primates is a form of culture (protoculture). Those groups that have mastered it can be better of than those that didn't -- giving them an evolutionary advantage. The "tools" can be suprisingly complex, see for example:

https://web.archive.org/web/20110608070200/http://www.uic.ed...

Re:Deep learning is hitting a wall? by 9wzYQbTYsAIc on Thursday March 10, 2022 @08:50AM (#30626836)
Re:Deep learning is hitting a wall? by maze-le on Thursday March 10, 2022 @01:09PM (#30630251)
That is pretty interesting -- I didn't knew that. I would classify this behaviour also as protocultural.
Re:Deep learning is hitting a wall? by 9wzYQbTYsAIc on Thursday March 10, 2022 @08:54PM (#30635213)
What about swarm intelligence of ants and bees?

Protoculture as well?

Re:Deep learning is hitting a wall? by visarga on Thursday March 10, 2022 @01:16AM (#30623733)
They can still individually learn tool usage by imitation, random exploration and reinforcement. But without culture they can't build on it.
Re:Deep learning is hitting a wall? by krageon on Thursday March 10, 2022 @05:31AM (#30625327)
Human supremacist world-view. Sadly incredibly common, once you drill down.
Re:Deep learning is hitting a wall? by visarga on Friday March 11, 2022 @06:54AM (#30638792)
It's culture-supremacist actually. Information needs to copy itself into the future, that's the essence of both life (genes) and culture (memes).
Re:Deep learning is hitting a wall? by 9wzYQbTYsAIc on Friday March 11, 2022 @08:02AM (#30639289)
Culture supremacy is still just bio-supremacy. Memes don’t exist except through genes.

Arguing that memes exist outside of genes is like arguing that the Platonic solids are real.