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Re:Deep learning is hitting a wall? by visarga on Thursday March 10, 2022 @12:15AM (#30623458)
> If deep learning isn’t enough, then brains aren’t enough, right?

No, not right. Humans need other humans to be smart, we need culture, technology and science. We're not that smart - just 700 years ago we were dying of the plague without even knowing the germ theory of disease, even with our lives on the line we couldn't solve it. We're only INCREMENTALLY smart over our current cultural level.

Re:Deep learning is hitting a wall? by 9wzYQbTYsAIc on Thursday March 10, 2022 @12:37AM (#30623565)
How do you explain non-human intelligence and tool usage, where there is no known culture?
Re:Deep learning is hitting a wall? by maze-le on Thursday March 10, 2022 @05:37AM (#30625383)
Actually, tool usage in primates is a form of culture (protoculture). Those groups that have mastered it can be better of than those that didn't -- giving them an evolutionary advantage. The "tools" can be suprisingly complex, see for example:

https://web.archive.org/web/20110608070200/http://www.uic.ed...

Re:Deep learning is hitting a wall? by 9wzYQbTYsAIc on Thursday March 10, 2022 @08:50AM (#30626836)
Re:Deep learning is hitting a wall? by maze-le on Thursday March 10, 2022 @01:09PM (#30630251)
That is pretty interesting -- I didn't knew that. I would classify this behaviour also as protocultural.
Re:Deep learning is hitting a wall? by 9wzYQbTYsAIc on Thursday March 10, 2022 @08:54PM (#30635213)
What about swarm intelligence of ants and bees?

Protoculture as well?

Re:Deep learning is hitting a wall? by visarga on Thursday March 10, 2022 @01:16AM (#30623733)
They can still individually learn tool usage by imitation, random exploration and reinforcement. But without culture they can't build on it.
Re:Deep learning is hitting a wall? by krageon on Thursday March 10, 2022 @05:31AM (#30625327)
Human supremacist world-view. Sadly incredibly common, once you drill down.
Re:Deep learning is hitting a wall? by visarga on Friday March 11, 2022 @06:54AM (#30638792)
It's culture-supremacist actually. Information needs to copy itself into the future, that's the essence of both life (genes) and culture (memes).
Re:Deep learning is hitting a wall? by 9wzYQbTYsAIc on Friday March 11, 2022 @08:02AM (#30639289)
Culture supremacy is still just bio-supremacy. Memes don’t exist except through genes.

Arguing that memes exist outside of genes is like arguing that the Platonic solids are real.