Re:The Big Semiconductor Water Problem
by jthirkle on Saturday March 12, 2022 @02:04PM
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I still don't understand why it's being done in Arizona. Sure, it's still economically worthwhile for the state government - but then it would also be viable in a state with better water resources, which would have a lower cost of water infrastructure, and so would be able to offer better tax incentives. What am I missing?
Re:The Big Semiconductor Water Problem
by sct202 on Saturday March 12, 2022 @02:19PM
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The Phoenix area has a long history of having semiconductor fabs starting with Motorola and Intel decades ago, so there is an established supplier base and workforce.
Re:The Big Semiconductor Water Problem
by bane on Saturday March 12, 2022 @01:04PM
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Asianometry is quickly becoming one of my favorite tech information sources. Rapid, in-depth information that's very clearly explained. Always happy to see it showing up here.
Re:The Big Semiconductor Water Problem
by tpmx on Saturday March 12, 2022 @01:16PM
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I've spent many hours watching his videos. I wonder what his background is beyond this description:
Welcome! My name is Jon and I run the Asianometry YouTube channel.
I started the YouTube channel a few years ago. I moved to Asia after spending a decade in San Francisco, studying business. While the most popular videos seem to be about semiconductors and high technology, I do make videos about economics and history.
Re:The Big Semiconductor Water Problem
by cute_boi on Saturday March 12, 2022 @02:16PM
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To be honest, I don't want to sound bad, but he seems to state the obvious thing which is available in Wikipedia or first page of google.
So, I don't think he provide rapid, in-depth information... . However, I do think he provide good information for layman like me. I have watched lithography, opensource related videos and they were general knowledge.
Re:The Big Semiconductor Water Problem
by cute_boi on Saturday March 12, 2022 @02:12PM
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I was so chilled, when I researched about water consumption by data center. They show us how datacenters etc are carbon neutral, but hide the water consumption. Semiconductor just don't have water problem, but many other issues like chemicals, high energy usage etc.. So, I think government should regulate company and enforce durable electronics item which should last minimum 10 years.
Re:The Big Semiconductor Water Problem
by londons_explore on Saturday March 12, 2022 @02:47PM
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Datacenter water use is almost entirely for cooling. The water is evaporated into the air, and falls again as rain, effectively allowing that water to be reused.
In a large river basin, there is a very high chance the water falls again as rain into the very same river it was extracted from. In that case, it's a closed loop system.
This is unlike other water uses, like washing wafers, where the water will end up in a sewer and eventually into the sea.
Re:The Big Semiconductor Water Problem
by cute_boi on Saturday March 12, 2022 @10:36PM
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The problem is when water evaporates and come as a rain, it is distributed. And, we need large amount of fresh water in one area. Additionally, you are not considering the time closed loop system takes to replenish the water source.
I agree with your last point. However, I think they still can filter and make it harmless, but we know there is no incentive to do that and the cost is high.
Re:The Big Semiconductor Water Problem
by ianai on Saturday March 12, 2022 @03:14PM
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I recall desert places, particularly LV, treating and reusing their sewer water quite efficiently. In such places, the real water loss is whatever is sprayed onto the ground.
Re:The Big Semiconductor Water Problem
by ianai on Saturday March 12, 2022 @03:10PM
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eh it's pretty light on details really. Not much to cite. I think this particular article's best for his overall audience. Not meant to be a standalone policy brief.
Welcome! My name is Jon and I run the Asianometry YouTube channel.
I started the YouTube channel a few years ago. I moved to Asia after spending a decade in San Francisco, studying business. While the most popular videos seem to be about semiconductors and high technology, I do make videos about economics and history.
So, I don't think he provide rapid, in-depth information... . However, I do think he provide good information for layman like me. I have watched lithography, opensource related videos and they were general knowledge.
In a large river basin, there is a very high chance the water falls again as rain into the very same river it was extracted from. In that case, it's a closed loop system.
This is unlike other water uses, like washing wafers, where the water will end up in a sewer and eventually into the sea.
I agree with your last point. However, I think they still can filter and make it harmless, but we know there is no incentive to do that and the cost is high.
The desert southwest is truly huge and gets plenty of sun. So "just adding water" makes a lot of things viable.